Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

[Mark David Dumlao]

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
> Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>>> One thing that you seem to be missing here.  Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake.
>>> It had a init thingy.  It caused me much grief and is one reason I left
>>> Mandrake.  I also didn't like the upgrade process either but one reason I
>>> chose Gentoo is no init thingy.  I wanted to be rid of that.  Now, whether
>>> it is udev or not, here comes that stupid init thingy just because someone
>>> doesn't want to put files where they should be which is not inside /usr.
>>>
>>> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a init thingy and it
>>> fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing something else.  I done went
>>> down the road of trying to fix one of those stupid things and I have no plan
>>> or desire to do so again.  I'm also not going to spend hours reinstalling
>>> Gentoo either.  If, more than likely when, the init thingy fails, I'll be
>>> installing something else and I'll most my last sign off message here.  One
>>> thing about Linux, there are plenty of distros to pick from .  I love Gentoo
>>> but I like to be able to boot up without dealing with a init thingy that I
>>> have to fix when it goes belly up.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>> I don't know why people keep humoring this kind of explanation for
>> systemd, udev, or /usr FUD, but this is not a rational way to think. It's
>> the same kind of excuse to say "I'm never going to use any kind of Linux,
>> even Android, because I tried it 3 or 4 times when it was on floppies,
>> and I couldn't get it to work".
>>
>> I'm really sorry about your terrible experience with "init thingies" in the
>> past, but you've got to face the facts:
>> 1) most distros today, Kubuntu included, bundle an "init thingy"
>> and it works flawlessly for them.
>> 2) you really, seriously, have to own up to the fact that your init thingy
>> failing was very likely your fault (because of 1)
>> 3) managing "init thingies" has gotten ridiculously easy over time as
>> compared to when you manually had to build them
>>
>> Especially that number 2 part. I mean, let's not forget that character
>> of Gentoo as a distribution. Or heck, even *nix distributions in general.
>> *nix distributions give you a lot of tools to arrange your systems the
>> way you want, i.e. choice, but it is always implicitly under the assumption
>> that the choice you're making is an *informed* choice.
>>
>> That's why you're asked to read the manual, or check the readmes,
>> or check the sample configs, and in this day and age, do a basic search
>> for working examples, before asking questions. *nix is not, and has
>> never been about being "polite" to users who don't know what they
>> are doing, and has always been about being efficient to users who do.
>>
>> I've been recommended to put it "over the top" bluntly before, so:
>> 1) STOP. FREAKING. BEING. IRRATIONAL.
>> 2) STOP BLAMING INIT THINGIES FOR YOUR MISTAKES. THE DAMNED
>> THINGS WORK.
>> 3) If you're scared of doing an init thingy *manually*, just read and do
>> the howto of the simplest init thingy manager in town (dracut? genkernel?).
>> It surely takes less time and effort than migrating to Kubuntu or whatever.
>
> Already tried making a init thingy from a really nice howto, Gentoo one
> I think.  Failed big time.  Heck, the init thingy barely even loaded
> before it failed.  I seem to recall posting on here.  As far as I know,
> no one knew how to fix it or what was wrong.  The dracut one worked but
> if it ever failed, I'm in the same boat, no freaking clue how to fix it
> or where to start and if I can't boot, no help either.  So just to
> update, my most recent experience wasn't to good either.  It isn't all
> about YEARS ago.  It is also about more recent attempts.

Meanwhile, for more stupidly over the top blunt trauma:
Please grow up and read your excuses for what they are. You
(1) failed to make an init thingy manually
(2) refuse to use a known working system that thousands use
on account of GREMLINS
and
(3) threaten to replace it with another working system that thousands use.
but no gremlins here!

At the end of they day, you don't want to learn how to do it "the hard way". So
do it the easy way and be done with your troubles. If you don't want to do it
EITHER way fine, but stop pretending that it's anything else but a problem
with your attitude. You're being exactly the kind of user that unpaid
volunteer devs don't want to waste time having to support.
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