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Mark David Dumlao wrote: |
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> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>> One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake. |
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>> It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one reason I left |
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>> Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either but one reason I |
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>> chose Gentoo is no init thingy. I wanted to be rid of that. Now, whether |
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>> it is udev or not, here comes that stupid init thingy just because someone |
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>> doesn't want to put files where they should be which is not inside /usr. |
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>> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a init thingy and it |
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>> fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing something else. I done went |
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>> down the road of trying to fix one of those stupid things and I have no plan |
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>> or desire to do so again. I'm also not going to spend hours reinstalling |
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>> Gentoo either. If, more than likely when, the init thingy fails, I'll be |
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>> installing something else and I'll most my last sign off message here. One |
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>> thing about Linux, there are plenty of distros to pick from . I love Gentoo |
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>> but I like to be able to boot up without dealing with a init thingy that I |
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>> have to fix when it goes belly up. |
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>> Dale |
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> I don't know why people keep humoring this kind of explanation for |
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> systemd, udev, or /usr FUD, but this is not a rational way to think. It's |
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> the same kind of excuse to say "I'm never going to use any kind of Linux, |
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> even Android, because I tried it 3 or 4 times when it was on floppies, |
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> and I couldn't get it to work". |
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> I'm really sorry about your terrible experience with "init thingies" in the |
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> past, but you've got to face the facts: |
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> 1) most distros today, Kubuntu included, bundle an "init thingy" |
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> and it works flawlessly for them. |
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> 2) you really, seriously, have to own up to the fact that your init thingy |
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> failing was very likely your fault (because of 1) |
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> 3) managing "init thingies" has gotten ridiculously easy over time as |
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> compared to when you manually had to build them |
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> Especially that number 2 part. I mean, let's not forget that character |
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> of Gentoo as a distribution. Or heck, even *nix distributions in general. |
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> *nix distributions give you a lot of tools to arrange your systems the |
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> way you want, i.e. choice, but it is always implicitly under the assumption |
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> that the choice you're making is an *informed* choice. |
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> That's why you're asked to read the manual, or check the readmes, |
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> or check the sample configs, and in this day and age, do a basic search |
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> for working examples, before asking questions. *nix is not, and has |
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> never been about being "polite" to users who don't know what they |
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> are doing, and has always been about being efficient to users who do. |
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> I've been recommended to put it "over the top" bluntly before, so: |
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> 1) STOP. FREAKING. BEING. IRRATIONAL. |
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> 2) STOP BLAMING INIT THINGIES FOR YOUR MISTAKES. THE DAMNED |
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> THINGS WORK. |
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> 3) If you're scared of doing an init thingy *manually*, just read and do |
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> the howto of the simplest init thingy manager in town (dracut? genkernel?). |
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> It surely takes less time and effort than migrating to Kubuntu or whatever. |
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Already tried making a init thingy from a really nice howto, Gentoo one |
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I think. Failed big time. Heck, the init thingy barely even loaded |
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before it failed. I seem to recall posting on here. As far as I know, |
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no one knew how to fix it or what was wrong. The dracut one worked but |
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if it ever failed, I'm in the same boat, no freaking clue how to fix it |
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or where to start and if I can't boot, no help either. So just to |
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update, my most recent experience wasn't to good either. It isn't all |
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about YEARS ago. It is also about more recent attempts. |
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One thing about Kubuntu and other distros, it installs in a fraction of |
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time that Gentoo does. Also, I don't have to fiddle with the init |
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thingy, it does it and hopefully correctly. If not, reinstall. If that |
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happens to often, try something else. |
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May be FUD to you but it is real to me. |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |
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I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! |