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On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake. |
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> It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one reason I left |
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> Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either but one reason I |
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> chose Gentoo is no init thingy. I wanted to be rid of that. Now, whether |
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> it is udev or not, here comes that stupid init thingy just because someone |
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> doesn't want to put files where they should be which is not inside /usr. |
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> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a init thingy and it |
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> fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing something else. I done went |
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> down the road of trying to fix one of those stupid things and I have no plan |
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> or desire to do so again. I'm also not going to spend hours reinstalling |
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> Gentoo either. If, more than likely when, the init thingy fails, I'll be |
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> installing something else and I'll most my last sign off message here. One |
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> thing about Linux, there are plenty of distros to pick from . I love Gentoo |
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> but I like to be able to boot up without dealing with a init thingy that I |
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> have to fix when it goes belly up. |
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> Dale |
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I don't know why people keep humoring this kind of explanation for |
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systemd, udev, or /usr FUD, but this is not a rational way to think. It's |
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the same kind of excuse to say "I'm never going to use any kind of Linux, |
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even Android, because I tried it 3 or 4 times when it was on floppies, |
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and I couldn't get it to work". |
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I'm really sorry about your terrible experience with "init thingies" in the |
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past, but you've got to face the facts: |
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1) most distros today, Kubuntu included, bundle an "init thingy" |
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and it works flawlessly for them. |
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2) you really, seriously, have to own up to the fact that your init thingy |
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failing was very likely your fault (because of 1) |
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3) managing "init thingies" has gotten ridiculously easy over time as |
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compared to when you manually had to build them |
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Especially that number 2 part. I mean, let's not forget that character |
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of Gentoo as a distribution. Or heck, even *nix distributions in general. |
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*nix distributions give you a lot of tools to arrange your systems the |
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way you want, i.e. choice, but it is always implicitly under the assumption |
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that the choice you're making is an *informed* choice. |
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That's why you're asked to read the manual, or check the readmes, |
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or check the sample configs, and in this day and age, do a basic search |
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for working examples, before asking questions. *nix is not, and has |
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never been about being "polite" to users who don't know what they |
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are doing, and has always been about being efficient to users who do. |
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I've been recommended to put it "over the top" bluntly before, so: |
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1) STOP. FREAKING. BEING. IRRATIONAL. |
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2) STOP BLAMING INIT THINGIES FOR YOUR MISTAKES. THE DAMNED |
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THINGS WORK. |
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3) If you're scared of doing an init thingy *manually*, just read and do |
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the howto of the simplest init thingy manager in town (dracut? genkernel?). |
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It surely takes less time and effort than migrating to Kubuntu or whatever. |
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