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On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM, William Kenworthy <billk@×××××××××.au> wrote: |
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> On 27/10/13 09:30, Mike Gilbert wrote: |
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>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote: |
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>>> Since I maintain blender I have come across quite a few frustrated |
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>>> users already: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488976#c7 |
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>>> I am not sure myself. On one hand we don't need python-updater anymore |
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>>> and have very tight dependencies that ensure that all needed modules |
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>>> are always available for the desired implementation. |
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>>> On the other hand it seems to give a lot of users trouble with |
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>>> blockers, general configuration and mass-updates on things like |
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>>> removing python:2.5. |
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>>> What are your opinions? Did it improve user experience? What could be |
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>>> improved? |
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> ... |
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> The python user experience is less than overwhelming for a user. |
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> 1. if python-update is no longer needed (first I have heard of this) why |
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> is it still rebuilding many packages after an upgrade ... |
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To clarify: python-updater will no longer be needed at some point in |
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the future when we are no longer using the old python.eclass. |
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> 2. I have python 2.7 installed and python 3.x is being asked to be |
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> installed ... isnt that enough? - shorely it can work out what it needs |
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> from whats been asked for/removed and whats already on the system ... |
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> instead we need to add these cryptic, poorly explained lines that one |
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> only finds out from emails etc. The elog message for the one exception |
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> asks that the line be added to make.conf without telling the user what |
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> happens if he upgrades later (as it lists specific versions) or makes |
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> changes - does that line have any effect, especially if he makes a |
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> mistake (which I did and I am not sure what it did in the background)? |
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Making things "just work" is complex when trying to juggle 6 or more |
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supported versions/implementations of python. |
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We have tried to explain the magic make.conf lines in the Python user guide. |
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https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/python-r1/user-guide.xml |
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We also try to make sure that most users never have to touch |
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PYTHON_TARGETS, etc; the default values provided by your profile are |
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set up to allow *stable* python2.7 and python3.2 to work properly. |
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~arch users are expected to read the docs. ^_^ |
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