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From: William Kenworthy <billk@×××××××××.au>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 03:41:58
Message-Id: 526C8B62.9040905@iinet.net.au
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience? by Mike Gilbert
1 On 27/10/13 09:30, Mike Gilbert wrote:
2 > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote:
3 >> Since I maintain blender I have come across quite a few frustrated
4 >> users already: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488976#c7
5 >>
6 >> I am not sure myself. On one hand we don't need python-updater anymore
7 >> and have very tight dependencies that ensure that all needed modules
8 >> are always available for the desired implementation.
9 >>
10 >> On the other hand it seems to give a lot of users trouble with
11 >> blockers, general configuration and mass-updates on things like
12 >> removing python:2.5.
13 >>
14 >> What are your opinions? Did it improve user experience? What could be
15 >> improved?
16 >
17 ...
18
19 The python user experience is less than overwhelming for a user.
20
21 1. if python-update is no longer needed (first I have heard of this) why
22 is it still rebuilding many packages after an upgrade ...
23
24 2. I have python 2.7 installed and python 3.x is being asked to be
25 installed ... isnt that enough? - shorely it can work out what it needs
26 from whats been asked for/removed and whats already on the system ...
27 instead we need to add these cryptic, poorly explained lines that one
28 only finds out from emails etc. The elog message for the one exception
29 asks that the line be added to make.conf without telling the user what
30 happens if he upgrades later (as it lists specific versions) or makes
31 changes - does that line have any effect, especially if he makes a
32 mistake (which I did and I am not sure what it did in the background)?
33
34 4. sorry if the above sounds over the top but some of the changes did go
35 wrong for me ... as is the grub2 upgrade I am still trying to get to
36 work after many hours ...
37
38 5. and I am really really impressed that a dev has actually asked the
39 users ... unlike other decisions being made!
40
41 BillK

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Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience? Mike Gilbert <floppym@g.o>