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From: Mike Gilbert <floppym@g.o>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Cc: bkohler@×××××.com
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 01:31:08
Message-Id: CAJ0EP42cUvjZqXtzhRJpeR410QGKJ=8kV+em5=NGwLRhty3JUA@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience? by hasufell
1 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote:
2 > Since I maintain blender I have come across quite a few frustrated
3 > users already: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488976#c7
4 >
5 > I am not sure myself. On one hand we don't need python-updater anymore
6 > and have very tight dependencies that ensure that all needed modules
7 > are always available for the desired implementation.
8 >
9 > On the other hand it seems to give a lot of users trouble with
10 > blockers, general configuration and mass-updates on things like
11 > removing python:2.5.
12 >
13 > What are your opinions? Did it improve user experience? What could be
14 > improved?
15
16 As one of the lead devs on the python team, here are my thoughts.
17
18 I think we have made things more "correct". As a developer, it is much
19 easier for me to tell when a package has incomplete or simply broken
20 python dependencies.
21
22 On the user side, I think we have traded occasional/random build
23 failures due to mismatched python versions for some barely
24 comprehensible portage dependency conflict messages. This is certainly
25 not ideal, but I think it is always better to have portage fail during
26 dependency resolution than at build time.
27
28 The (non-)relationship between eselect python and PYTHON_TARGETS is
29 something that would be nice to resolve, but I don't know how to do
30 it. PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET will probably cause problems if/when packages
31 start supporting python3 only.

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Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience? Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org>
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience? William Kenworthy <billk@×××××××××.au>
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience? hasufell <hasufell@g.o>