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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann |
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<volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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> Am 17.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: |
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>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann |
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>> <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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>>> Am 17.09.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: |
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>>>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann |
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>>>> <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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>>>> [snip] |
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>>>>> Now you use this to advertise for systemd? |
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>>>>> |
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>>>>> Systemd fanbois are becoming more and more desperate. |
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>>>> So, systemd is used (or it has been announced that is going to be |
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>>>> used) by default in all the major distributions, is available and |
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>>>> working great in Gentoo, and many Gentoo users and developers use it |
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>>>> happily. |
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>>>> So, yeah, we are *really* desperate, obviously. |
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>>>> Thanks for the laugh. |
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>>>> Regards. |
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>>> you will stop laughing when redhat&poettering abandon systemd because it |
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>>> is 'fundamentally broken' and must be replaced with something else. |
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>>> Probably as soon as everybody got used to it. |
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>>> And if I guess correctly, pulseaudio will be the driving force behind |
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>>> it. Because history loves repetition. |
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>> Sure Volker, whatever you say. I'm willing to bet the future stability |
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>> of my desktop and server machines that your doomsday-scenario will not |
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>> happen. Actually, I'm already betting on it. |
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>> What are you willing to bet? |
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>> Again, thanks for the laughs. You are a funny guy. |
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>> Regards. |
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> I am not betting anything. |
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I figured it. |
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> But I want you to think about something: |
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> devfs was the best thing since sliced bread. |
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> As soon as everybody used it, it was broken and replaced. |
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> hal was the best thing since sliced bread. |
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> As soon as everybody used it, it was broken and abandoned. |
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> *kit? |
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> The same. |
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Yeah. So it happened with XFree86, aRts, esd, gnome-vfs, DCOP, |
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sendmail, and it will happen again with dbus (I'm willing to bet it |
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will be replaced, at least in Linux, with kdbus). And, BTW, it's |
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happening with SysV being replaced in Linux with systemd. |
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It happens all the time. It's a good thing. And it happened for *VERY* |
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different reasons in each case. Also, the transition has been |
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sometimes somewhat difficult (HAL comes to mind), but most of the |
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times really easy: we used devfs when I switched to Gentoo more than |
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10 years ago, and I don't remember being difficult the switch to udev. |
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XFree86 => X.org was also basically trivial. |
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Of course systemd can be replaced; if something cooler gets written, |
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we'll switch to it. But given the team behind systemd, and the design |
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it has, it's gonna be very difficult. |
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Using Linus words, you are making excuses. You can compare systemd to |
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HAL, but doing so only shows that you don't know the code, the design, |
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and the history behind both projects. |
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Regards. |
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-- |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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