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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>> On Wednesday 14 Sep 2011 11:25:23 Alan Mackenzie wrote: |
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>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 05:10:40PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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>>> > > Is it simply subscribing to -dev and voicing the conversation there? |
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>>> > Of course not. But please, do that if you think it will help to steer |
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>>> > Gentoo to whatever direction do you think is the correct one. |
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>>> > Personaly I don't think the devs (who, AFAIK, do not receive a single |
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>>> > dime for working on Gentoo) will appreciate anybody telling them how |
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>>> > they should do their jobs, the one they do for free. But that's just |
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>>> > me. |
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>>> I think so. Most devs are grateful for (polite) feedback, and take it |
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>>> into account when doing their work. I suspect they're unaware of just |
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>>> how much this change to booting is disliked by Gentoo users. |
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>> Could someone please nudge them this way for them to get first hand feedback |
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>> on their decision. |
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>>> > No, by "you know what needs to be done" I mean: code. Contribute. |
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>>> > Become a developer. Make shit happens the way you think it should |
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>>> > happen. |
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>>> > |
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>>> > Shut up and code. Google it, I didn't come with the phrase. |
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>> Not all of us have the capability to code, although all of us are grateful for |
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>> good code devs produce and often express our user needs and wants in this M/L. |
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>>> Just as a matter of interest, how much coding have you done for open |
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>>> source or free software? It was conspicuously absent from the CV you |
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>>> posted here a few days ago. |
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>> Canek may wish to keep his reply off list because it wouldn't be of particular |
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>> interest to many and is not relevant with Gentoo being aligned with a flawed |
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>> (IMHO) design principle. |
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>> Better we focus our efforts instead on influencing Gentoo devs and upstream |
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>> decision making on this matter before it defaults into a design orthodoxy for |
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>> Linux. |
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> |
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> Rather than flooding the gentoo devs with a bunch of outrage, maybe |
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> it'd be better to build a document detailing the reasoning of the |
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> opinions and discussed potential solutions? It'd probably be received |
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> a lot better than starting over with a new heated argument, feeling |
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> around how much the various parties know and understand about the |
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> issue. |
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Please, somebody do that. Then the users (like me) who support the |
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changes could make another document arguing point by point your |
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document. That will centralize the reasons for and against the |
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proposed changes, so it would help people to better understand the |
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issue. |
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Maybe some developers for the change will change their mind. And maybe |
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some of the developers against it will change theirs. |
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And in the end, whoever wants to actually write the code and implement |
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the idea (any idea) will, you know, write the code and implement the |
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idea. |
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For sure this proposal for a document for the developers would help to |
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clear the air with regards of how "aware" or "unaware" they are. |
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Regards. |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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