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On 29/09/2013 17:41, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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> On Sep 29, 2013 3:33 AM, "Alan McKinnon" <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |
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> <mailto:alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>> wrote: |
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>> Exherbo might be worth a look too[1]. |
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>> It's a sort-of Gentoo fork using the portage tree and PMS; plus Ciaran |
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>> strikes me as the kind of guy who *would* expend massive effort to find |
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>> a way round current udev and systemd. |
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>> [1] I didn't look myself. I have no idea what Exherbo's stance is on |
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>> this matter. |
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> Exherbo recommends installing systemd [1]. Sabayon installs systemd by |
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> default [2]. Funtoo is considering running GNOME >=3.8 in a container so |
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> systemd doesn't "impact" the rest of the system [3] (which by the way |
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> looks like an interesting idea). However, in the same link Daniel |
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> Robbins says: |
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> "[...] from my perspective, I think it is simply so people can run |
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> GNOME. I do like GNOME 3.6. I like their new UI. It would be nice to run |
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> 3.8. I don't care about systemd. It is simply a dep of GNOME. That is all." |
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> I see that as being open to the idea of using systemd in the future. It |
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> doesn't say that they'll never support systemd, as others would. Well, |
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> users; for the people that actually write the code, the majority seems |
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> to like systemd, or at least don't have a problem with it. |
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> Anyhow, many in this thread forget that it was the OpenRC maintainer the |
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> one that proposed the change to stop supporting a separate /usr without |
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> an initramfs. If you use OpenRC, and have a separate /usr without an |
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> initramfs, and *anything * breaks in your machine, you get to keep the |
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> pieces. No (official) support for you. |
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> It doesn't matter if you use udev, eudev (which is the same, just |
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> emasculated), nor mdev. OpenRC will start assuming an early available |
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> /usr; that's why its maintainer championed the change. It needs it to |
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> actually compete with systemd. So even Funtoo will need the same |
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> requirement, unless they switch to runit. |
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> As others have said, this is not really related to systemd/udev. It's |
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> OpenRC, the "official" and (still) recommended init system for Gentoo, |
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> the one that is making the change. |
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Thanks for that info. I don't keep current with the Gentoo-derived |
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distros as gentoo itself works great for me. |
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> And about time, if you ask me. |
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Agreed. I myself fought this change in my head for ages. And changed my |
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mind for the same reasons so many other people have done so too. |
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Alan McKinnon |
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alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |