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On Sep 29, 2013 3:33 AM, "Alan McKinnon" <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote: |
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> > On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote: |
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> >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote |
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> >>> Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around |
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> >>> and test other distros until I find one I like. Thing is, I already |
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> >>> have a starting point. |
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> >> I'm already looking. http://forums.funtoo.org/viewtopic.php?id=2265 |
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> >> and they also dislike systemd. I think I could get to like it. See |
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> >> also http://bugs.funtoo.org/browse/FL-34 |
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> > Very interesting! This looks as a logical way to put udev back in its |
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> > userspace box and stop it breaking the OS, or did I understand it |
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incorrectly? |
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> Exherbo might be worth a look too[1]. |
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> It's a sort-of Gentoo fork using the portage tree and PMS; plus Ciaran |
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> strikes me as the kind of guy who *would* expend massive effort to find |
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> a way round current udev and systemd. |
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> [1] I didn't look myself. I have no idea what Exherbo's stance is on |
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> this matter. |
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Exherbo recommends installing systemd [1]. Sabayon installs systemd by |
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default [2]. Funtoo is considering running GNOME >=3.8 in a container so |
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systemd doesn't "impact" the rest of the system [3] (which by the way looks |
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like an interesting idea). However, in the same link Daniel Robbins says: |
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"[...] from my perspective, I think it is simply so people can run GNOME. I |
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do like GNOME 3.6. I like their new UI. It would be nice to run 3.8. I |
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don't care about systemd. It is simply a dep of GNOME. That is all." |
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I see that as being open to the idea of using systemd in the future. It |
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doesn't say that they'll never support systemd, as others would. Well, |
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users; for the people that actually write the code, the majority seems to |
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like systemd, or at least don't have a problem with it. |
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Anyhow, many in this thread forget that it was the OpenRC maintainer the |
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one that proposed the change to stop supporting a separate /usr without an |
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initramfs. If you use OpenRC, and have a separate /usr without an |
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initramfs, and *anything * breaks in your machine, you get to keep the |
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pieces. No (official) support for you. |
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It doesn't matter if you use udev, eudev (which is the same, just |
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emasculated), nor mdev. OpenRC will start assuming an early available /usr; |
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that's why its maintainer championed the change. It needs it to actually |
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compete with systemd. So even Funtoo will need the same requirement, unless |
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they switch to runit. |
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As others have said, this is not really related to systemd/udev. It's |
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OpenRC, the "official" and (still) recommended init system for Gentoo, the |
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one that is making the change. |
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And about time, if you ask me. |
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Regards. |
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[1] http://www.exherbo.org/docs/install-guide.html |
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[2] http://www.sabayon.org |
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[3] http://bugs.funtoo.org/browse/FL-674 |
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