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From: Pandu Poluan <pandu@××××××.info>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:30:22
Message-Id: CAA2qdGXJCYE11CGF2D43YGtUphpoQY9Zcu66NSdBcngYYiYofg@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: RE: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts. by Mike Edenfield
1 On Mar 14, 2012 11:19 PM, "Mike Edenfield" <kutulu@××××××.org> wrote:
2 >
3 > > From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckinnon@×××××.com]
4 > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:14 AM
5 > > To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
6 > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
7 > >
8 > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
9 > > Pandu Poluan <pandu@××××××.info> wrote:
10 > >
11 > > > > The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without
12 > > > > the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices
13 > > > > is a configuration that causes problems in many real-world,
14 > > > > practical situations.
15 > > > >
16 > > > > The requirement of having /usr on the same partition as / is also a
17 > > > > configuration that causes problems in many real-world, practical
18 > > > > situations.
19 > > > >
20 > > >
21 > > > I quite often read about this, and after some thinking, I have to
22 > > > ask: why?
23 > > >
24 > >
25 > > I've also thought about this and I also want to ask why?
26 >
27 > To be honest, I was simply taking for granted that all of the other people
28 > on this list who made a huge fuss about this were not lying.
29 >
30 > I, personally, have never had a use or need for a separate /usr; I know
31 how
32 > big (approximately) /usr is going to get and I give it that much space. I
33 > guess I'm fortunate not to have ever managed a server where the hard
34 drives
35 > were so tiny as to make that impractical.
36 >
37 > This whole udev/initrd/mdev/etc problem, for me, has been little more than
38 > an entertaining diversion, since I've been using a supported setup from
39 the
40 > start. However, I'm confident that there are legitimate reasons why some
41 > sysadmins use certain configurations which require / and /usr to be
42 > different partitions; I'm less confident that initrd is not the real
43 > solution to their "problem" but that's not really my call to make.
44 >
45 > I'm *very* confident that a dismissal of this issue as "the ego if one or
46 > two guys who happen to write udev" is a blatant oversimplification that
47 does
48 > not do justice to the complexities involved in making modern hardware
49 work.
50 >
51
52 This email [1] (and the correction email right afterwards) should give some
53 much-needed perspective on why we're driving full-speed toward an
54 overturned manure truck (which some of us, e.g., Walter and me, are
55 desperately pulling at the handbrakes).
56
57 [1] http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2011-September/076713.html
58
59 Rgds,

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