Re: [gentoo-user] building without X

[Jean-Francois Gagnon Laporte]

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:05:42 -0500, Eric S. Johansson <esj@××××××.org> wrote:
> Jean-Francois Gagnon Laporte wrote:
> > Hi !
> >
> > First questions ....
> >
> > What do you want exactly ? Do you need X support or not ?
>
> apologies for not being clearer.  What I want is only X11 client side
> support so I can build applications that use X11.  Since it is a server
> and I will never run X11 server side, I don't want to spend the time or
> energy building the X11 server.  case in point is Emacs.  I don't want
> to be limited to what ever I can display via putty but wish to display
> Emacs sessions on my desktop X11 server.
>

No problem. AFAIK, you can't really seperate the client libs from the
server ... well in portage that is. Also, you can use screen, emacs
and ssh to do the same thing. I'm not an emacs user but I fail to
grasp why do you want to bloat a server with X11 traffic. Does xemacs
have some features that emacs doesn't have ? (As you can see i'm a vi
user ... personnaly I don't see a difference between gvim and vim
except it uses X11). With screen you can open up many sessions, detach
it, close your connection, let it run and check it out later when log
back in. It's very useful for server administration. Maybe, I again
really don't see what you want ... it's monday for everybody -_-.

> If it is impossible to split X11 into client and server packages, then I
> would need some help figuring out why it is dying on two security
> related functions.  based on your advice, I found some information and
> I'm rebuilding a bunch of packages in the hopes that the unexplained
> dependency will be fixed
>
For that I don't really know but Rumen has a good point. I haven't had
the time to fiddle with hardened specific optimisations.

> > from make.conf try putting `emerge info`. It really gives what are the
> > currently active settings of portage so to speak.
>
> thank you for the advice.  see below.
>
> > Might want to read this too :
> > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/109647
>
> at initial glance, doesn't seem to apply.  It's good information but I'm
> not trying to eliminate X totally, only the server side.  or failing
> that, make the server build and ignore it.
>
> >Post the results of `emerge info` and `emerge -uDpvt`
> > if you were trying to update your server.
>
> xeno root # emerge info
> Portage 2.0.51-r3 (default-linux/x86/2004.3, gcc-3.3.4,
> glibc-2.3.3.20040420-r0,glibc-2.3.4.20040808-r1, 2.6.9 i686)
> =================================================================
> System uname: 2.6.9 i686 Pentium III (Katmai)
> Gentoo Base System version 1.4.16
> Autoconf: sys-devel/autoconf-2.59-r5
> Automake: sys-devel/automake-1.8.5-r1
> Binutils: sys-devel/binutils-2.15.90.0.1.1-r3
> Headers:  sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.21-r1
> Libtools: sys-devel/libtool-1.4.3-r4,sys-devel/libtool-1.5.2-r7
> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
> AUTOCLEAN="yes"
> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium3 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe"
> CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
> COMPILER=""
> CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3/share/config
> /usr/share/config /var/qmail/control"
> CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d"
> CXXFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium3 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe"
> DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
> FEATURES="autoaddcvs autoconfig ccache distlocks sandbox sfperms"
> GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo
> http://gentoo.eliteitminds.com
> http://open-systems.ufl.edu/mirrors/gentoo
> http://ftp.easynet.nl/mirror/gentoo/ ftp://gentoo.ccccom.com"
> MAKEOPTS="-j3"
> PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
> PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
> PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage"
> SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
> USE="X aim apache2 apm arts avi berkdb bitmap-fonts crypt cups emacs
> encode f77 fastcgi foomaticdb fortran gdbm gif gnome gpm gtk gtk2 imap
> imlib jpeg kde ldap libg++ libwww mad maildir mcal mikmod mmx motif
> mozilla mpeg ncurses nls oggvorbis opengl oss pam pcmcia pdflib perl png
> python qt quicktime readline sdl spell sse ssl svga tcpd truetype usb
> wxwindows x86 xml2 xmms xv zlib"
>
As you can see because of profiles it adds of bunch of flags you might
not want like gnome and kde. I highly suggest that if you build a
server to disable all of the use flags and add in your make.conf only
the ones you need.

> xeno root # emerge -uDpvt world
>
> These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order:
>
> Calculating world dependencies ...done!
> [nomerge      ] app-editors/emacs-21.3-r3  +X* -Xaw3d -debug +gnome
> -leim -lesstif +motif +nls
> [ebuild  N    ]  media-libs/libungif-4.1.0.1b  +X +gif 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  x11-libs/openmotif-2.1.30-r5  -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.8.0  -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14  +nls 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.9-r1  +crypt +python 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.1.94  +nls 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      dev-libs/libgpg-error-1.0-r1  +nls 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.1.2-r5  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    app-text/docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12  -tetex 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.3  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets-1.65.1  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       app-text/build-docbook-catalog-1.2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.1-r2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.0-r2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     app-text/docbook-dsssl-stylesheets-1.77-r2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     dev-perl/SGMLSpm-1.03-r5  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     app-text/docbook-xml-simple-dtd-4.1.2.4  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.0-r2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.1-r2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      app-arch/unzip-5.50-r2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     app-text/openjade-1.3.2-r1  -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      app-text/sgml-common-0.6.3-r4  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      app-text/opensp-1.5-r1  +nls 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   x11-libs/startup-notification-0.7  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.8.0  -accessibility -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.2.0  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   media-libs/imlib-1.9.14-r3  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r11  -debug +nls 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    media-libs/giflib-4.1.0-r3  +X +gif 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    media-libs/tiff-3.7.0  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.8.0  -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.5  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.8.0  -debug -doc +jpeg 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.0  -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.8.0  -debug -doc 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     gnome-base/libgnome-2.8.0  -debug -doc 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.8.1-r2  -debug -doc -gnutls
> -hal -howl -ipv6 -samba +ssl 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]        net-nds/portmap-5b-r9  -debug (-selinux) +tcpd 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.1  -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      media-sound/esound-0.2.34  -alsa -ipv6 +tcpd 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       media-libs/audiofile-0.2.6-r1  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.8.0  -debug -doc 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.16  -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     gnome-base/libbonobo-2.8.0  -debug -doc 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     gnome-base/gconf-2.8.0.1  -debug -doc 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      gnome-base/orbit-2.12.0  -debug -doc +ssl 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.4  -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       dev-util/indent-2.2.9-r1  +nls 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     gnome-base/libglade-2.4.0  -debug -doc 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      x11-libs/gtk+-2.4.9-r1  -debug -doc +jpeg -tiff 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.14  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]        dev-libs/libxml2-2.6.15-r1  -debug -ipv6 +python
> +readline 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]        dev-util/intltool-0.31.2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]         dev-perl/XML-Parser-2.34  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       x11-libs/pango-1.6.0  -debug -doc 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] x11-terms/xterm-196  -Xaw3d -debug +truetype -unicode 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  sys-apps/utempter-0.5.5.5  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0-r2  0 kB
> [nomerge      ]    sys-apps/which-2.16
> [ebuild  N    ]       x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.0-r3  -3dfx -3dnow
> +bitmap-fonts -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx -doc -hardened
> -insecure-drivers -ipv6 +mmx +nls +pam -sdk +sse -static -xprint 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      dev-libs/atk-1.8.0  -debug -doc 0 kB
> [ebuild  NS   ]       dev-libs/glib-2.4.7  -doc 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]        dev-util/pkgconfig-0.15.0  0 kB
>
> Total size of downloads: 0 kB
>
> --
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>
You are aware that you are building the complete gnome desktop because
of emacs and it's use flags ? You might want to disable gnome support
or even X support. There are plenty of use flags that aren't useful
for your needs for what I can see.

I hope this helps

Jean-Francois

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