Gentoo Archives: gentoo-user

From: "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss03@××××××××××.net>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:28:01
Message-Id: 200707181310.55720.bss03@volumehost.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? by Volker Armin Hemmann
1 On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Volker Armin Hemmann
2 <volker.armin.hemmann@××××××××××××.de> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to
3 3??':
4 > a) nobody is forced to buy a tivo. If you don't like it, don't buy it
5 > and you don't have problems.
6
7 TiVo isn't forced to use GPLv3 licensed code -- if they don't use it, they
8 don't have problems.
9
10 > b) AFAIR Linus owns a Tivo himself.
11
12 Yes, I believe he does.
13
14 > c) it is morally wrong to try to dictate HARDWARE licence problems with
15 > a SOFTWARE licence
16
17 There's no requirement on the hardware that runs GPLv3 software. You just
18 have to provide the whole source ("preferred format for modification") to
19 the full binary (everything that must be in place to run the software on
20 the device it was designed for).
21
22 > d) If I can't use the software freely anymore one of the key freedoms is
23 > gone.
24
25 Yes, which is why the GPL v3 is necessary.
26
27 > This is the same stupidity like anti-terror law. Lets take away freedom
28 > and free speech to protect freedom and free speeach
29
30 Except that the anti-terror laws don't protect freedom or free speech in
31 any way, just life (and it's questionable that they do that). It's more
32 like the laws that say you can be thrown in prison for unlawfully
33 imprisoning others. Your freedom will be restricted (you can't use the
34 software) if you attempt to restrict the freedoms (namely, the four
35 freedoms) of others.
36
37 > e) Linus is not alone. You should read what Jesper Juhl wrote in one of
38 > the lenghty discussions on lkml. Very interessting.
39 > http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=118211628209101&w=2
40
41 1) This concerns draft versions, as the final version wasn't available.
42 2) Mr. Juhl admits there are downsides to allowing tivoization.
43
44 The question really remains -- do you want your code to be able to be
45 locked up or not?
46
47 BSD is available for those that don't care if the code is locked up.
48 GPLv3 is available for those that want the maximum level of protection
49 against their code (or derivatives) from being locked up.
50 There are a quite a few other Free Software licenses between those two
51 extremes, including GPLv2.
52
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