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From: Volker Armin Hemmann <volker.armin.hemmann@××××××××××××.de>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:49:24
Message-Id: 200707181940.20482.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? by Stroller
1 On Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote:
2 > On 17 Jul 2007, at 17:19, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
3 > > On Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote:
4 > >> I believe that even Linus - who is noted for his long-standing
5 > >> opposition to v3 - would change his mind were he to experience this.
6 > >> "They're using the operating system _I_ wrote to lock me out of _my
7 > >> own_ router?!?!?!?"
8 > >
9 > > Linus has said it several times that he was ok with the thing Tivo
10 > > did.
11 > >
12 > > And Tivo is the reason for that clause in GPLv3.
13 >
14 > I've seen no evidence that he said this AFTER spending a big chunk of
15 > his own money on hardware, plugging it into his ethernet network and
16 > finding himself frustrated by an inability to copy shows recorded in
17 > his living room to the Tivo in his den.
18 >
19 > A problem with having well-paid and financially successful "leaders"
20 > is the risk of them becoming out of touch with "the common man".
21 > Linux is Linus' baby and he's entitled to license his code however he
22 > wishes but he can afford a nice sports car now and I doubt that he
23 > has to pay for much hardware.
24 >
25 > I'm not saying that Linus is wrong, just that he might see things
26 > differently if the license he used on his software caused him time,
27 > inconvenience, frustration and expense. Say what you like about the
28 > lunatic fringe, but RMS has never forgotten that laser printer which
29 > he was unable to fix because the code was denied him.
30 >
31 > Stroller.
32
33 a) nobody is forced to buy a tivo. If you don't like it, don't buy it and you
34 don't have problems.
35
36 b) AFAIR Linus owns a Tivo himself.
37
38 c) it is morally wrong to try to dictate HARDWARE licence problems with a
39 SOFTWARE licence
40
41 d) If I can't use the software freely anymore one of the key freedoms is gone.
42
43 This is the same stupidity like anti-terror law. Lets take away freedom and
44 free speech to protect freedom and free speeach
45
46 e) Linus is not alone. You should read what Jesper Juhl wrote in one of the
47 lenghty discussions on lkml. Very interessting.
48 http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=118211628209101&w=2
49
50 you might also read the rest of it. It might open your eyes.
51
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Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss03@××××××××××.net>
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? Stroller <stroller@××××××××××××××××××.uk>