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> From: Zeerak Waseem <zeerak.w@×××××.com> |
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> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: |
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> > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: |
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> >> But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't |
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> >> dependent of the DE, to require a dependency of the DE. It just seems |
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> >> a bit backwards to me :-) I simply don't understand. |
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> > That just shows that they are still partially dependent on the DE, KMail |
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> > also needs various KDE libraries. KDE was designed as a cohesive DE, not |
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> > just a bunch of applications with a common look and feel. KDE apps are |
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> > intended to be run on a KDE desktop, anything else is a nice bonus. |
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> Indeed, and it is a noble pursuit. |
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> But from a marketing aspect, it would make more sense to have things that aren't |
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> -vital- for the app, unlike kde-libs in this case, to be soft (is this the |
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> correct term?) dependencies. |
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> Both aspects could be satisfied by having symantic-desktop as an optional dep. |
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> It's not a vital function for kmail to be able to tag and index all the files on |
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> the computer (which is what the symantic-desktop does if I understand |
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> correctly), it's a nifty thing for KDE users, and soon probably Gnome users as |
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> well, but for anyone else, it's a nifty thing -if- they feel the need for it. |
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> Much like most other bits of software :-) |
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Obviously you don't understand the reason for the dependency. |
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It does not exist so that Kmail can index all the files on the system but for the opposite - |
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so that Kmail can participate in the search by allowing the system to be able to search _its_ data. |
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And, btw, you're not turning it off within Kmail, but at the system - DE - level. |
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The application itself will still check to see if it could participate, only to have nothing turned on to support so then it doesn't do anything. |
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> In the end there isn't a right or wrong, but just a standpoint. |
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Question: are you a software developer? |
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Kmail probably has the dependency the way they do b/c it is far easier to make it one and let the system determine not to support the functionality |
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than it is to litter the codebase with "if (symanticDesktopEnabled)..." code. |
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> Some don't mind |
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> the bloat (we can agree that it's bloat if you're just going to disable the |
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> function as soon as it's been installed, right?) and don't consider it to be the |
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> slightest bit akin to bloat, whilst to others it's an unnecessary feature forced |
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> on them (mainly thinking of the people not using kde, but also those kde-users |
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> that just disable it) and thus becomes bloat. |
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No more than it is bloat for gcc to support mmx/sse/sse2/sse3/sse4 when your processor cannot. |
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Ben |
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