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On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org> wrote: |
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> On 2014-02-18 4:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler <sebastian@××××××××××××.de> wrote: |
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>> First I thought that with systemd I have to use all the things shipped |
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>> with systemd like journald (which I don't like because I think that a |
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>> binary file for syslogs is just broken) so I looked into the config |
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>> files of systemd, deactivated journald and configured logging to rsyslog |
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>> instead. And just like journald many (if not most or even all, I'm still |
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>> at the surface of systemd configuration) of the new and ugly tools can |
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>> be replaced by the good old tools we like and love. |
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> Thanks Sebastian. |
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> I had pretty much come to this same conclusion without even having tried |
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> systemd yet. |
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> This, combined with the new knowledge that it is relatively trivial to allow |
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> peaceful co-existence for systemd users through the use of profiles, and |
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> that these would need to be created and maintained by those who want or need |
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> the equivalent systemd version of any given profile, now boils down to one |
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> last thing... |
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> Getting the Gentoo Council behind this idea, and providing an officially |
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> supported - or maybe a better term is *mandated* - process whereby systemd |
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> proponents can create and then maintain new systemd versions of any existing |
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> profiles. |
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Just jumping in here as one of Gentoo's systemd maintainers: There is |
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no point in creating a second set of profiles just for systemd. |
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Profiles do not perform any magic; they just set/mask use flags and |
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set default values for some other ebuild variables. |
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The reason we do not have a full set of "systemd profiles" is because |
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they would serve no useful purpose; there is simply nothing to be |
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gained from creating them. |
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If I wanted to switch from systemd back openrc at this very moment, I |
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would do the following: |
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1. Unset the systemd use flag. |
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2. Replace sys-apps/systemd with sys-fs/udev (optional). |
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3. Run emerge -uDNav world |
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Having a separate profile does not make that process any easier. |
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