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From: Heiko Baums <lists@××××××××××××.de>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 12:36:47
Message-Id: 8610f2b9-4407-05d1-e79f-3177bcdcdc1c@baums-on-web.de
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No by Neil Bothwick
1 Am 17.12.2016 um 09:53 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
2 > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
3 >
4 > Really, no one is forcing you to use anything. If you don't like the way
5 > particular piece of software is going, you can get a full refund and
6 > switch to something else.
7
8 Not this argument again. It's the most stupid argument (of a lot of
9 other stupid ones) which was give most frequently by Poettering and
10 those Poettering fanboys from the beginning of this systemd crap until -
11 seemingly - now.
12
13 And yes, it is still crap. Unfortunately I am forced to using it,
14 because there is no usable distro for the Raspberry Pi which does not
15 use systemd. I again went into trouble with it, if it's only those
16 crappy binary log files. It's of course not only the binary log files.
17
18 For some reason I couldn't boot the Pi anymore. What do you usually do
19 in such a case? Right! You pull the sd card out of the Pi, mount it on
20 another computer, and... bang! No log files can't be read, because they
21 are binary and my Gentoo PC doesn't have systemd - for good reasons.
22
23 Without this systemd crap, with the good old, very well tested system
24 loggers I would have easily been able to read the the log files and to
25 fix the problem.
26
27 Thanks systemd I had to reinstall the whole distro.
28
29 Regarding this really stupid decision of Mozilla's to only support
30 PulseAudio...
31
32 PulseAudio still doesn't work with (semi-)professional audio cards. It
33 never did, Poettering closed the corresponding bug report, blamed the
34 ALSA developers and claimed that their ALSA has a bug. ALSA supported
35 those audio cards perfectly out of the box long way before. The bug
36 report was reopened and I never heard anything of it anymore. I was
37 subscribed to this bug report.
38
39 Instead Poettering then eventually said that PulseAudio was designed
40 only for consumer sound cards, not for professional audio cards.
41
42 This was years ago and nothing has changed since then.
43
44 It's audio cards like M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 and RME Hammerfall I'm
45 talking about, btw.
46
47 So ditching native ALSA support would mean that users with such an audio
48 card wouldn't be able to hear any sound within Firefox.
49
50 Thanks to Lennart Poettering and their fanboys.
51
52 Just forgot to ask. Tell me how to easily get rid of systemd on - say -
53 Arch Linux, Debian, OpenSUSE, Redhat, Fedora, Ubuntu and its
54 derivatives. And how do I get rid of systemd on my Raspberry Pi?
55
56 You said no one is forcing me to use this systemd crap. So tell me how I
57 get a full refund for systemd and how to switch to something usable.
58
59 You said it's possible and easily done and I'm not forced to using it.
60 So show me. A nice little howto for the distros I mentioned would be nice.
61
62 Heiko Baums

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Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk>