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From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sata disk assignment mismatch...
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:32:32
Message-Id: 201001171230.00755.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sata disk assignment mismatch... by Jarry
1 On Saturday 16 January 2010 20:28:53 Jarry wrote:
2 > >> Now I installed one more sata-disk, attached to "sata4"
3 > >> position on mobo. But this changed the way how other
4 > >> disks are detected:
5 > >>
6 > >> Mobo: drive: system:
7 > >> sata1 160GB /dev/sdb
8 > >> sata2 160GB /dev/sdc
9 > >> sata3 dvdrw (not_detected)
10 > >> sata4 500GB /dev/sda
11 >
12 > ...
13 >
14 > > I don't know if that is normal behavior or a bug,
15 >
16 > In between I got a reply from other mailing list saying
17 > "it is not a bug, it is a feature!". And the reason for
18 > this feature is udev - it creates dev-files dynamically
19 > and sata port-numbers do not play any role for order
20 > in which hard-drives are detected and dev-file created.
21 > Maybe some udev-expert here could explain in which
22 > order udev writes device-files for hard-disks (maybe
23 > serial number, or vendor name?)...
24 >
25
26 Generally it's the order they are found in.
27
28 udev gives you the ability to dynamically create only the nodes you need
29 without having to worry if you've left something out of MAKEDEV. To do this,
30 the developer had to sacrifice your ability to predict what a device name will
31 be.
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33 You actually don't care what the name of a thing in /dev/ is, it really
34 doesn't matter. The kernel knows what they are by looking at the major and
35 minor numbers and the name only exists while that instance of udev is running.
36 To work with the device (eg mounting it), you should use some other
37 characteristic of the device, like it's serial number or volume label. Which
38 means things like /dev/sda3 should not appear in fstab.
39
40 View it this way:
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42 You have a disk volume with a filesystem on it that you called "HOME", and you
43 want to mount that filesystem to /home. You should just do that directly.
44
45 The other way involves a completely useless extra step that the user doe snot
46 even need to know about: You have a filesystem on it called "HOME", so you
47 looked it up in some arcane table and found that it has the arbitrary name of
48 /dev/sda3, so you mount /dev/sda3 to /home. Hmmmmmm, what's this extra step of
49 looking something up somewhere? It serves no useful purpose, gives no extra
50 information and is completely redundant.
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52 If all you are doing is making filesystems available for use, and you find you
53 are getting involved with device names, then you are doing something contrary
54 to current kernel/udev/userspace practice.
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60 alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Replies

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sata disk assignment mismatch... Jarry <mr.jarry@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sata disk assignment mismatch... Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs@××××××.de>