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On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Heiko Baums <lists@××××××××××××.de> wrote: |
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> And, no, I won't install any package which is merged into systemd. As |
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> you mentioned udev, what do you need udev for if you don't use systemd? |
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> Just install eudev. Works perfectly without any systemd dependency. |
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Like I said - if you want to go this route be prepared to tweak half |
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your system to keep it working. Replacing udev with eudev is |
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certainly possible, but probably not something I'd recommend for |
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somebody trying out Gentoo for the first time. Most of the eudev |
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developers would probably not recommend setting install masks and |
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setting USE=-systemd either. |
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And you're using udev all the same - there isn't much that was in udev |
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before the systemd merge which isn't in eudev today. It seems a bit |
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odd to object to a package on the sole basis of what source repository |
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its maintainers are using. But, whatever floats your boat. |
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> So, yes, I will file any bugs if something breaks, because systemd is |
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> supposed to be optional on Gentoo. |
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If a package declares a dependency against a package that installs |
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something in /usr/lib/systemd, and it breaks because you masked that |
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directory, then your bug is probably going to be marked invalid. But, |
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if you enjoy making work for the bug wranglers I guess you can do your |
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part to ensure that the position remains understaffed. |
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I'm not talking about incorrect dependencies not aligned with |
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upstream/etc. Those are often valid bugs, as are bugs asking for |
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fixes to openrc scripts or systemd units even though openrc and |
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systemd are optional on Gentoo. Maintainers aren't required to commit |
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openrc scripts or systemd units, but they're certainly encouraged to |
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do so when somebody provides them for an init system they use (or |
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runit, or upstart, or whatever). |
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(Fun piece of Gentoo trivia. Most Gentoo-derived systems don't run |
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either openrc or systemd - they run upstart, despite it not even being |
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in the main Gentoo repository. Go figure...) |
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