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From: "b.n." <brullonulla@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:13:22
Message-Id: 48D040FA.1040204@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm by David Leverton
1 David Leverton ha scritto:
2 > On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:53:20 b.n. wrote:
3 >> David Leverton ha scritto:
4 >>> On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:18:42 b.n. wrote:
5 >>>> I am not going to do it because of the treatment I'd be reserved by
6 >>>> people like ciaranm, or you, if I only needed help or disagreed with
7 >>>> your opinions.
8 >>> What on Earth makes you think that?
9 >> Your behaviour.
10 >
11 > Towards people who only need help or disagree (rationally) with my opinions?
12 > Such as?
13 >
14 >> The IRC log posted on the r0bertz blog.
15 >
16 > Don't do something so draw-droppingly idiotic if you don't want to receive the
17 > appropriate reaction.
18
19 The reaction is not appropriate.
20 The behaviour could be due to simple ignorance, instead of idiocy.
21 If he *knew* it was idiotic, he *would not* have done it, isn't it?
22 Or didn't you think about that?
23 Are maybe you -God forbid!- an idiot too? :)
24
25 In any case, even if r0bertz is a clueless idiot, the only sane approach
26 is even in this case to calmly and rationally explain (or providing
27 links to information) why what he was doing was, in your opinion, wrong.
28
29 That's for example what I am doing with you, even if you are quite
30 jaw-droppingly too, outside a system administration context.
31
32 You see: it's called "Dealing With People". It's a different software
33 from Portage or Paludis, but you should try it nonetheless.
34
35 >> This is paranoid behaviour.
36 >> To think that there is a "hate campaign" about your little software is
37 >> utterly paranoid.
38 >
39 > It's not paranoid, it's true. I've seen it.
40
41 Pretty unfortunately, that's what every paranoid would say.
42
43 Until I will see anti-paludis campaigns in the streets, sorry, it's just
44 paranoia. You see people disagreeing (very wholeheartedly) with you, and
45 instead of accepting that, you build the delusion of a conspiracy.
46
47 It's a well known, quite common psychological mechanism.
48
49 Of course you are free to give me the URLs of angry anti-paludis
50 websites, the menacing private mails you received, etc. and convince me
51 I am wrong.
52
53 >> Actually, I'm pretty sure >99.999% of world population just doesn't care
54 >> about your software. :)
55 >
56 > Perhaps, but some of the people who do care care in a rather malicious way.
57
58 And, sir, what would the aim of those people be? What advantage they
59 have from maliciously and viciously crushing Paludis? Will they become
60 richer? More powerful? Or it's for the women?
61
62 You see, you happily give "idiocy" tags to people, yet you seem to
63 believe things that have no rational justification at all. Maybe you
64 should think twice.
65
66 >> Moreover, as I told you some time ago, the only way to shut up lies is
67 >> *facts*. In software, facts means code.
68 >
69 > As I told you some time ago, these people don't care about code.
70
71 They care about code, and they care about your public behaviour. Even if
72 they spread lies about your code because they want the Crystal Skull
73 from the Paludis Shrine, well, you do not have to convince them.
74
75 You have to convince everyone else.
76
77 And you are not doing that. Trying to win on Volker, you are losing with
78 everyone else.
79 But at this point I don't think you will understand that -you're too
80 busy not being an "idiot" when talking about package management, yet
81 being somehow not as clever when dealing with human beings.
82
83 m.

Replies

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm David Leverton <levertond@××××××××××.com>
[gentoo-user] F'ing Idiots on IRC Re: A plea for calm Stroller <stroller@××××××××××××××××××.uk>