Re: [gentoo-user] [Off-Topic] arch-openrc

[Mick]

On Wednesday 08 Mar 2017 14:08:00 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> wrote:
> > Well what do you know?!  Alternative to monolithic stack solutions now
> > exist as alternatives for other distros too:
> >
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/archopenrc/
> >
> > PS. I do not wish to kick off a flame war on this topic, enough electrons
> > have been wasted in past rants.  Just to inform those who may be
> > interested in this.
>
> Interesting.  It looks like they bundle all their openrc scripts in
> the openrc package.  I was curious about this since the right place to
> put scripts is one of those things that tends to come up in debate.
>
> In Gentoo openrc, systemd, and anything else keep their scripts in the
> packages they go with.
>
> Pros:
> - You don't end up with scripts for packages you don't use.
> - The openrc/systemd/runit/upstart/etc packages don't get bumped 3
> times per week when any script changes anywhere (IMO the biggest
> driver)
> - If upstream provides the scripts (common for systemd, less so for
> openrc but it may happen) then make install can take care of them
>
> Cons:
> - You do end up with scripts for service managers you don't use
> (assuming you don't mask them).
> - Individual package maintainers have to be at least somewhat
> concerned with these scripts even if they don't use the service
> manager they apply to.
>
> I think the Gentoo way is better because of the elimination of bumps.
> However, Arch is much more strongly in the systemd camp (as I
> understand it), so I suspect there would be more resistance there to
> maintaining openrc scripts inside individual packages.  So, openrc
> ended up having to bundle them all in one package.  The Gentoo
> approach took a Council decision as some package maintainers objected
> to the inclusion of systemd units.  Other than the initial debate IMO
> it has gone smoothly since.
>
> And a parting bit of trivia:  The overwhelming majority of
> Gentoo-based installations use upstart as their service manager,
> despite it not even being in the Gentoo repository.

Ha!  I didn't know this.  I thought upstart was a *buntu feature only.

Yes, the gentoo way of package-provided openrc scripts makes more sense to me 
too, especially for gentoo where no two systems are alike.  On binary distros 
it may be easier for repos to provide a big openrc package with all their 
scripts bundled in there, but if you want to deviate from the vanilla distro 
then you're on your own.
-- 
Regards,
Mick