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On 2017-12-11 13:39, Mick wrote: |
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> On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: |
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>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés |
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>> <caneko@×××××.com> |
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> wrote: |
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>> > Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution |
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>> > to |
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>> > this thread; |
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>> Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss. Of |
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>> course, I wouldn't dream of telling people how they should think, nor |
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>> would I deny anyone the right to be an activist. |
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>> > Enjoy your echo chamber. |
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>> Thank you for your contribution, Dr. Yes, we know you're a Dr. We know |
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>> it because: |
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> Crikey! I didn't expect my question to trigger yet another thread of |
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> 'systemd |
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> Vs freedom of choice (non-systemd)' arguments. Dr. Canek has been an |
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> advocate |
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This is the nature of a mailing list ... ;-) |
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> of systemd for years now and has posted his views on this topic more |
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> than |
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> once. He has tried hard to make gentoo users see the light in the |
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> superiority |
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> of systemd and put his arguments across. He has also done a lot of |
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> development work to establish systemd in Gentoo. His views are |
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> somewhat |
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> parochial - only those who (can) code have an influence if not a right |
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> to |
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> determine the direction of travel - I paraphrase of course. There is |
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> truth in |
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> this and anyone can recognise that money can buy developer hours and |
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> direct |
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> their development effort. |
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> |
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> The facts remain that RHL and their employees have shaped the Linux |
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> eco-system |
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> to suit their business interests; spinning predictably and reliably |
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> thousands |
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> of identical VMs in data centres. The MSWindows monolithic stack |
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> architecture |
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> is something they wanted/needed and this is what they developed. |
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> |
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> The fact also remains that binary distros and other development |
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> projects |
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> decided to gravitate towards major development areas (cloud and |
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> embedded |
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> computing) where commercial interest and development demand has been |
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> greater. |
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> Lack of devs and maintainers especially for smaller distros means they |
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> decided |
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> to ride on the back of systemd and minimise their own development load. |
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> Linux |
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IMHO there isn't a lack of devs and/or maintainers. To me the issue is |
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that they doesn't work as good together as they should. To less |
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compromises. To many forks. Thus, unfortunately, leads into more market |
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fragmentation. It is good to have a choice, but it is not good to have a |
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lot - to many - choices. And this is not limited to init systems. |
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> exists on the desktop too, but this represents a really small |
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> percentage of PC |
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> users. Linux desktop users on Gentoo systems is an even smaller number |
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> and I |
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> am guessing of an increasingly advanced age demographic. |
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> I am grateful that Gentoo has retained openrc and provides a choice for |
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> those |
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> of us who would prefer to not use systemd. I use systemd on a couple |
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> of |
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> systems out of necessity/convenience, but I would not like it on my PC |
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> systems. If I wanted this opaque Just Works™ philosophy I would have |
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> stayed |
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> with MSWindows or AppleMac, both of which I have used for years and |
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> frustrated |
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> me to hell - well MSWindows definitely does. However, for the majority |
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> of the |
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> population these OS remain the best suited choice. So, I think we |
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> should live |
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> & let live, but as gentoo users at least try to influence gentoo to |
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> retain a |
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> freedom of choice most binary distros have walked away from. |
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> Just my 2c's. |
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+1 in general ;-), even if I'm pretty sure some people will interpret |
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something different. |
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