Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

[Mick]

On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com>
wrote:

> > Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution
> > to
> > this thread;
>
> Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss. Of
> course, I wouldn't dream of telling people how they should think, nor
> would I deny anyone the right to be an activist.
>
> > Enjoy your echo chamber.
>
> Thank you for your contribution, Dr. Yes, we know you're a Dr. We know
> it because:

Crikey!  I didn't expect my question to trigger yet another thread of 'systemd 
Vs freedom of choice (non-systemd)' arguments.  Dr. Canek has been an advocate 
of systemd for years now and has posted his views on this topic more than 
once.  He has tried hard to make gentoo users see the light in the superiority 
of systemd and put his arguments across.  He has also done a lot of 
development work to establish systemd in Gentoo.  His views are somewhat 
parochial - only those who (can) code have an influence if not a right to 
determine the direction of travel - I paraphrase of course.  There is truth in 
this and anyone can recognise that money can buy developer hours and direct 
their development effort.

The facts remain that RHL and their employees have shaped the Linux eco-system 
to suit their business interests;  spinning predictably and reliably thousands 
of identical VMs in data centres.  The MSWindows monolithic stack architecture 
is something they wanted/needed and this is what they developed.

The fact also remains that binary distros and other development projects 
decided to gravitate towards major development areas (cloud and embedded 
computing) where commercial interest and development demand has been greater.  
Lack of devs and maintainers especially for smaller distros means they decided 
to ride on the back of systemd and minimise their own development load.  Linux 
exists on the desktop too, but this represents a really small percentage of PC 
users.  Linux desktop users on Gentoo systems is an even smaller number and I 
am guessing of an increasingly advanced age demographic.

I am grateful that Gentoo has retained openrc and provides a choice for those 
of us who would prefer to not use systemd.  I use systemd on a couple of 
systems out of necessity/convenience, but I would not like it on my PC 
systems.  If I wanted this opaque Just Works™ philosophy I would have stayed 
with MSWindows or AppleMac, both of which I have used for years and frustrated 
me to hell - well MSWindows definitely does.  However, for the majority of the 
population these OS remain the best suited choice.  So, I think we should live 
& let live, but as gentoo users at least try to influence gentoo to retain a 
freedom of choice most binary distros have walked away from.

Just my 2c's.
-- 
Regards,
Mick