Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

[Mark David Dumlao]

On Sep 18, 2014 5:19 AM, "James" <wireless@×××××××××××.com> wrote:
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> Rich Freeman <rich0 <at> gentoo.org> writes:
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> > Uh, the only thing the Linux kernel does is spawn a single process as
> > PID 1 and offer a VERY STABLE system call interface for that and
> > future processes to make requests.  Nobody is going to break sysvinit
> > if that happens to be the thing you tell Linux to execute as PID 1.
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> OK, where are your performance studies on how wonderful systemd is?
> Simple (2) identical system except for systemd only on one. Run a
> wide variety of tests, publish the data.
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> Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable?
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The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of work on
publicly available data is

"do it yourself, youre not paying my bills you entitled ____".
(paraphrased from "code talks")

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> > Whether anybody else actually supports sysvinit is a different matter.
> > I'm sure it will be around in Gentoo for a long time, and those with
> > official Gentoo support contracts will get the same care they are used
> > to.  :)
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> I'm not sure if this is a threat, a promise or are you just trash talkin
> with me now?
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> Besides, there is another thing you are not considering. The world of
> embedded linux >> user linux. So, the embedded designers are all
> wonderfully in line with systemd?  Have you been to any of those
> forums? They live by cgroups, because a few folks showed them how
> to minimize embedded systems with age old state diagrams. Have you
> offered them the systemd or highway plan yet?

last i checked, systemd uses cgroups - its a central part of the service
management bits. so what the frack are you on about?

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> It's not me, Rich, it lots of other technically astute folks that
> are not happy. I just want choice. I hope systemd is wildly successful,
> but I'm old school, so you and others are going to have to "show me".
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> James
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