Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a cell?

[james]

On 2/20/20 7:28 PM, Dale wrote:
> james wrote:
>> On 2/20/20 5:23 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> james wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Reading that Samsung is interested in this makes me glad I bought a
>>> Samsung cell phone.� :-D� While nervous about this sort of thing,
>>> scared
>>> I might brick the thing, it is interesting and something I would
>>> consider when the time is right.
>>
>> Agreed; totally. That's the hint, new releases of the latest cell
>> phones, that are flexible, particularly with groups. Developing a
>> gentoo base, with their help, is a win-win. Just look at where CoreOS
>> (a gentoo derivative) ended up. Big business, and now trying to save
>> IBM from themselves. Of coarse Redhat is dropping very fast in
>> popularity as a linux distro, cause they now see the power of gentoo.
>> But they did continue with systemd,
>> which is another 'can of worms'.
>>
>>
>> There is a recent 'spat' between Samsung and Google on kernel
>> sources... that is an interesting read; ymmv. What the result is; is
>> that Samsung is reaching out directly to the hard core linux community
>> (that's gentoo folks), although not directly credited (as usual). It's
>> a short read.
>>
>>
>> https://www.gsmgotech.com/2020/02/google-criticizes-samsung-for-making.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I got backed into this because of my history (I actually put GTE on
>> the commercial internet back in 1990, as� Florida's fist ISP
>> CFTnet.com..... Lots of dead bodies...
>>
>>
>> Now, I'm a 5G activist, so that telcos become merely non-exclusive
>> bandwidth providers and only the less informed use them for mobile
>> software stacks.....� We'll see, I may get shot, but I'm old and just
>> tired of the bullshit of the carriers, the F_fed idiots and all of
>> those punks with nefarious intentions. Time to stand up, ymmv.
>>
>>
>> I think 'doctor trump' is ready to return the freedom and control of
>> the airwaves, back to the citizens. The swamp really, really smells
>> bad and is rotten to the core.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Who is this DALE you mention?� Just curious since that's my name
>>> and I'm
>>> on a tractor, when arthritis allows it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep, that was (you) I referenced, with just one pseudo use case of
>> multiple gentoo cell phones acting in a mobile cluster. I hope I did
>> not insult your countenance.....?
>>
>>
>> Like it or not, you seem to find bugs and flaws that most of us miss.
>> Besides with 4 cell phones, you could have an audio reproduction
>> system that is 3 dimensional, and custom graphical tools, not
>> purchased from a farm equipment dealer but hacked together many
>> internet folks.
>>
>>
>> Folks like you, are the poster child for what 5G is all about. The
>> carriers think it's an opportunity to extort more money from the US
>> citizens.� Let's build our own secure networks, cheaply, and use the
>> carriers as but one option to move bits. Carriers should not have ever
>> been allowed to dictate and control communications. Dig ditches, lay
>> fiber and connect to a myriad of equipment, controlled by others, is
>> what carriers *should* be focused on.
>>
>>
>> 5G is an opportunity for a real communications revolution and GENTOO
>> needs to be right in the middle of the birthing of real communications
>> freedom.� Multi-path links and 5G hardware, will allow the citizens to
>> control their secure communications. Very likely to be the biggest
>> issue, in the 2024 election, republican or democrat, as we all have
>> the right to completely secure communications, as much as we have the
>> right to consume oxygen from the atmosphere!
>>
>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)� :-)
>>
>> WE rig you up, you just might have to ride that tractor to DC, so
>> folks see that this pending communications revolution is about
>> empowerment of the masses. Lots of street parties along the way;
>> that's my hope (and prayer). an old fashion 'hippi music festival in
>> each town.
>>
>>
>> 99.9� percent of classified material is bullshit. It's� a ruse; just a
>> tool of economic competition and exclusion, for the LARGE� vendors to
>> have exclusive, non competitive access to do work for the government,
>> without small vendors having a shot.
>>
>>
>> 5G CAN change everything! Gentoo should blaze the open source pathway
>> of contributions and WE all should dream, build and get control of our
>> country back!
>>
>>
>> 5G may be our last chance before Satan rules via consolidating all the
>> large governments! 5G is our last chance, imho, for citizens to get
>> control of their respective countries back. Stand or die, as the
>> plagues of the last days, are just around the corner. Gentoo saves the
>> world? Sound like a good movie for someone to make.....
>>
>>
>> Be blessed,
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yea, I'm good at finding a bug.� My recent experience with a stage3
> tarball shows that.� After several tries, I came to the conclusion that
> the stage3 tarball is basically worthless.� I unpacked it, copied over
> the new tree, no need downloading a new one when I have one, then tried
> to update it with the default USE flags the stage3 provides.� Right at
> the start, I ran into a circular dependency and some blocked packages.
> No matter what I tried, including posts on how to get around it, it
> never would upgrade.� I just wonder if anyone else is running into the
> same issue.� I ended up copying my OS over to the new build location and
> using it.� It works.
>
> I like open source stuff.� I've never "bought" a OS for any computer
> I've ever had.� One reason I bought my� Samsung cell phone, Linux.
> Before that, I had a Motorola Razr.� I'd still have it if not for the
> charge port getting worn out.� I could no longer charge the phone
> reliably.� I have a Samsung monitor, Linux; LG TVs, Linux again.� If I
> can find something that runs Linux that I need, it's my first choice.
> Look in the owners manual in the last few pages.� It usually mentions
> the Linux kernel if its running Linux.
>
> Yep, I'd love to Gentoo head down this path.� Someone posted a link to a
> image that shows all the offshoots of Gentoo.� It's quite a lot.� That
> was years ago.� I'm not sure if more have been added or not.� If Gentoo
> shut down and deleted the tree, a lot of people would be lost. It would
> also take a lot of people to pick it up and get it going again, if it
> can be done.
>
> I'm not offended at all by the mention of my name.� I just thought maybe
> someone named a tractor brand after me.� ROFL
>
> Oh, having my own OS on my phone would also mean I could uninstall those
> apps I don't want or need.� Some can't be uninstalled since they are
> "required" even tho they show never being used, ever.
>
> Dale

Well, I finally found a comprehensive lists of linux oriented cell phone 
work, in open source


https://www.pine64.org/

https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/

under the 'partner projects' is a listing  by distro. Most of the major 
linux distros are not listed. Since Gentoo Embedded has such a rich 
history of one-off devices and partial gentoo stacks, I'm just shocked 
WE are not listed there.

I'll see what I can do about that, cause::


" Powered by the same Quad-Core ARM Cortex A53 64-Bit SOC used in our 
popular PINE A64 Single Board Computer, the PinePhone runs mainline 
Linux as well as anything else you�ll get it to run."

This will just give me more evidence why samsung should work with us too.

I'm a bit shocked, and very excited, none of the gentoo folks have 
blazed this trail!

They are even clustering the these phone:

https://www.pine64.org/clusterboard/


My vision was more of a generic cluster, where any embedded linux phone 
(most?) could just join/run/exit
a cluster for a myriad of reasons. USB-4 would be a better interface 
than a 'buss', imho.

Multi-path-asynchronous routing can lead to awesome
security semantics...... and clustered phones with services different 
vendors, would just be sooooooooo
cool.


Stay tuned and remember, just one extra 12VDC battery,
like the optima series, would be quiet capable of interfacing to solar 
panels and running that cluster on a tractor in a parade, or just 
replacing fancy/expensive vendor equipment software that gives a tractor 
advanced controls capabilities with the attachments......

piss on Deer, Case and the rest. WE do not need them anymore, except to 
service warranty issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tractor_manufacturers

viva gentoo....