Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

[William Hubbs]

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org> wrote:
> > On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
> >>>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically
> >>>> for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't
> >>>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Who else is there to blame?  We are continually being told that a
> >>> separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate act of
> >>> <insert your deity here>, much like an earthquake.  This gets
> >>> patronising really quickly.  (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you here.  I
> >>> appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else
> >>> round here.)
> >>
> >>
> >> It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, now it
> >> has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the
> >> increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case.
> >
> >
> > So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6 months, or
> > better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush???
> >
> > Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this decision? I
> > seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to provide a 'paper
> > trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let others judge their
> > decisions based on the merits of their arguments, then what does that say
> > about their true motivations/intentions?
>
> The discussion happened in [1], [2], and [3]. And in similar meetings
> and mailing lists since months ago.
>
> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2946
> [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130924.txt
> [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/88282

You forgot [4].

[4] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/235575

I was actually  against it initially. After reading and understanding
where the linux ecosystem is going, my position evolved to support it.

William