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On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org> wrote: |
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>> > On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote: |
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>> >> |
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>> >> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: |
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>> >>>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is |
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>> >>>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically |
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>> >>>> for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't |
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>> >>>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code. |
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>> >>> |
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>> >>> |
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>> >>> Who else is there to blame? We are continually being told that a |
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>> >>> separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate act of |
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>> >>> <insert your deity here>, much like an earthquake. This gets |
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>> >>> patronising really quickly. (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you here. I |
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>> >>> appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else |
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>> >>> round here.) |
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>> >> |
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>> >> |
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>> >> It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, now it |
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>> >> has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the |
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>> >> increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case. |
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>> > So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6 months, or |
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>> > better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush??? |
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>> > Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this decision? I |
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>> > seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to provide a 'paper |
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>> > trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let others judge their |
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>> > decisions based on the merits of their arguments, then what does that say |
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>> > about their true motivations/intentions? |
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>> The discussion happened in [1], [2], and [3]. And in similar meetings |
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>> and mailing lists since months ago. |
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>> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2946 |
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>> [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130924.txt |
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>> [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/88282 |
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> You forgot [4]. |
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> [4] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/235575 |
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> I was actually against it initially. After reading and understanding |
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> where the linux ecosystem is going, my position evolved to support it. |
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Thanks for the link, William, and for all the work you have done to |
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bring Gentoo to modern standards. |
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Regards. |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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