Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

[Alon Bar-Lev]

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@g.o> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org> wrote:
> >> > On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
> >> >>>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically
> >> >>>> for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't
> >> >>>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Who else is there to blame?  We are continually being told that a
> >> >>> separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate act of
> >> >>> <insert your deity here>, much like an earthquake.  This gets
> >> >>> patronising really quickly.  (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you here.  I
> >> >>> appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else
> >> >>> round here.)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, now it
> >> >> has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the
> >> >> increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6 months, or
> >> > better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush???
> >> >
> >> > Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this decision? I
> >> > seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to provide a 'paper
> >> > trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let others judge their
> >> > decisions based on the merits of their arguments, then what does that say
> >> > about their true motivations/intentions?
> >>
> >> The discussion happened in [1], [2], and [3]. And in similar meetings
> >> and mailing lists since months ago.
> >>
> >> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2946
> >> [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130924.txt
> >> [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/88282
> >
> > You forgot [4].
> >
> > [4] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/235575
> >
> > I was actually  against it initially. After reading and understanding
> > where the linux ecosystem is going, my position evolved to support it.
>
> Thanks for the link, William, and for all the work you have done to
> bring Gentoo to modern standards.

modern = what enforced by udev (aka systemd)?

>
> Regards.
> --
> Canek Peláez Valdés
> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>