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Iain Buchanan wrote: |
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> On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 23:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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>> On Monday 18 January 2010 22:47:05 Dale wrote: |
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>>> In that case, ctrl alt F1 does nothing. You also need to understand |
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>>> that most people don't even know how to use SysRq keys. I didn't and |
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>>> had to do a hard shutdown. I had to actually pull the plug to do any |
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>>> good. Luckily I knew how to get it to boot into single user mode so I |
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>>> could disable hal otherwise I would be right back on the same screen |
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>>> again with no mouse or keyboard. It would be really bad if even that |
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>>> didn't work with devicekit. I'm not sure how it couldn't but we never |
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>>> know do we? |
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>>> |
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>> Dale's experiences highlight a very important and very fundamental rule of |
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>> desktop system design: |
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>> As a developer you must completely and totally guarantee to the full limit of |
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>> what is feasible, that the user will always have a usable keyboard, mouse and |
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>> display after the desktop has launched. You can fallback to VGA resolution and |
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>> the most basic keyboard layout possible if you need to, but you must give the |
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>> user something and never leave them stranded. Anything else is just an epic |
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>> fail. |
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> My 2c worth is this: In any other distribution, the xorg/hal update |
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> would have been configured so that Dale's (sorry to keep using you as an |
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> example :) keyboard / mouse was working. But this is Gentoo. You ARE |
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> the distributor AND the end user. Conflicts in libraries / packages are |
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> up to you to resolve. |
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> About 3-4 people use Gentoo at work, and at least 2 were hit by the |
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> keyboard/mouse not working bug in xorg when it moved to HAL. With a bit |
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> of fuddling, remerging, and so on, we got it working in both cases. |
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> So yes, the developer must give a fallback method of using the |
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> keyboard / mouse, but not against the incorrectly packaged / configured |
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> system. In Gentoo you often end up with an incorrect system, hence |
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> revdep-rebuild and so on. |
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I didn't distribute hal, heck, I didn't even want it really. It's |
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required by KDE is the only reason I have it at all. I just had to |
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disable it for xorg is all to get a working X. |
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Surely this wasn't my fault? |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |
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