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James a écrit : |
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> Jil Larner <jil <at> gnoo.eu> writes: |
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>> May I suggest you split the discussion if you continue about licensing, |
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>> so we can keep a clear topic on Daniel's come back ? |
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> I only use licensing as an example (that I'm willing to defend |
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> as long as it takes) to support the notion of vehicles to |
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> generate revenue around the 'gentoo engine'. |
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I understood your first message, I am for BSD licenses everywhere (but I |
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haven't all arguments you gave, just faith). But it turned to a flame |
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war on BSD vs GPL v2 (v3 is no match) and, as you say, deeply focusing |
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on a example. |
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> After all, if |
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> you look at Daniel's recent past, he's been searching for ways |
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> to use Gentoo, to *make money*. Several folks have pointed out |
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> that the majority of people believe that using (gentoo) linux to |
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> make money is a good idea. Daniel has been with lots of ventures |
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> in the recent past. Gentoo is his next 'bidness'. |
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> (ok that's settled?) |
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Settled. |
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> [...] Go read the 14 pages on the forum and you |
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> get a pretty clear picture, that he is not this *benevolent benefactor* |
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> that the masses believe he is. If he was, he would return, humble |
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> get on 'the team' and let folks who have experience and connections |
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> run the financial affairs of Gentoo, to the benefit of the all devs |
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> and the user alike. |
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Well, I attempted to read the forum, but I quickly left the page. The |
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current Gentoo case is very interesting for the student that I am, but I |
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don't want to take too much time to read the whole topic, I am already |
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overwhelmed, alas. Messages on the list gave me the image of what he |
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wants and a part of what he did. That's why I think this list is great :o |
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> Why else would Daniel let the foundation sink? I sure anyone in the know |
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> could have sent in the few hundred bucks to keetp gentoo legally established. |
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> This crisis has been "orchestrated" to force a decision, plain and simple. |
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Yeah, that's obvious since the beginning. When I asked what the crisis |
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was, the problem and non problem of legal papers, I saw it. Now, I may |
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say that Gentoo is at a mature point, is a valuable distro, and choices |
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must be made for its future. Somewhere, politics that I never heard |
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about "let the ball run away" (quote from a previous mail, I think) and |
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lead to the current crisis that allows (or not) the come back of Daniel. |
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Then, the question looks like "will people allow Gentoo to become |
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commercial under the leadership of Daniel without measure of control ?" |
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I'm not sure it's a good sum up. If you don't think, help me to be right. |
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I don't say commercial is evil. I agree that having a business around |
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gentoo may have it stronger. But I believe he aims to access power the |
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same way as Palpatine in Star Wars, and the story could be the same, |
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then it would be hard to find a Jedi to rescue ! :D |
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Discussions hold in the darkness and open the way for speculation. I |
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understand the need to discuss without the noise of the community. But |
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communication in an Open Source project, to say what is really in game, |
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seems to me fundamental. Are they talking about licensing, trying to |
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arrange some counter power to reach an agreement, do they already |
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accepted and try to figure out how to convince involved people (I mean |
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not basic users like me) ? I don't know. Only one thing is certain : we |
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are facing trouble times and what we watch coming seems very, very |
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dangerous. Power allows fast acting, but doesn't necessarily make the |
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act wise. |
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> come on, use your brain here...... |
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I attempt, but the choice is not ours. |
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> God, I sure hope I'm wrong.............. |
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So do I. |
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Jil. |
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