From: | Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@×××××××××.il> | ||
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To: | gentoo-user@l.g.o | ||
Subject: | Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way! | ||
Date: | Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:42:07 | ||
Message-Id: | 4F673755.5020903@ngtech.co.il | ||
In Reply to: | Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way! by William Kenworthy |
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7 | On 19/03/2012 04:03, William Kenworthy wrote: |
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9 | On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Pel��ez Vald��s wrote: |
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12 | On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote: |
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15 | On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500 |
16 | Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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20 | Eliezer Croitoru wrote: |
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23 | On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote: |
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26 | Peter Humphrey wrote: |
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29 | On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote: |
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33 | genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me. |
34 | just |
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36 | emerege genkernel |
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38 | and then use |
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40 | genkerenl --menuconfig all |
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42 | it will do everything for you the same as in a regular kernel |
43 | compiling. |
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45 | you have instructions on how to use genkernel on the handbook. |
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48 | What's more, you don't have to keep going through menuconfig if |
49 | you already have a running self-compiled kernel. Just copy |
50 | the .config file to |
51 | somewhere safe (I use, e.g. /boot/config-3.2) and call genkernel |
52 | with the |
53 | option to specify the config file it's to use. Sorry but I can't |
54 | tell you |
55 | exactly what the parameter is as I don't have genkernel on this |
56 | box. Someone will be along in a moment though. |
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61 | I used genkernel when I was first installing Gentoo. I let that |
62 | thing build half a dozen kernels, chroot in between too. You know |
63 | what, not one of them worked. That was a long time ago but let me |
64 | check something here.< spit spit spit> I had to get the bad |
65 | taste out of my mouth. lol |
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67 | I might also add, I started using a init thingy a few weeks ago, |
68 | dracut tool. For some crazy reason, when I boot with the init |
69 | thingy, my system doesn't work right. When I boot without the |
70 | init thingy, it works fine. Still trying to figure out that one. |
71 | It's in another thread. |
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73 | I don't see myself using genkernel any time soon. Right now, I'm |
74 | having flashbacks to hal with regard to dracut and the whole init |
75 | thingy /usr mess. |
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78 | i have used genkernel for a long time and all of my genkernel |
79 | compilation works really good. |
80 | i have (counting, 1 very very big production server, 2 small |
81 | production server, 3 home server, 4 +5 +6 + 7 +8 of vms runing |
82 | genkernel with several services such as mail mail filtering web |
83 | server and monitoring) so what can i say? all these machines will |
84 | say other then you. |
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86 | Regards, |
87 | Eliezer |
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91 | Dale |
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93 | :-) :-) |
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98 | Odd, it can work on all those yet fail on a relatively simple system. |
99 | Makes one wonder. Maybe it is to complicated? Sort of starting to |
100 | sound like udev isn't it? lol |
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102 | I didn't say it would fail for the OP. I just said it never worked |
103 | for me. Compiling my own has worked for me. I have only had one |
104 | failure with that. I might also add, I have read where others have |
105 | nightmares about genkernel. I'm not the only one. |
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108 | And using genkernel is pretty fucking pointless while it doesn't |
109 | support suspend/resume right. |
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111 | Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I don;t use genkernel so |
112 | don;t know the truth from experience. I only read what others say, |
113 | claiming that genkernel doesn't support suspend/resume. |
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116 | Resume/suspend or |
117 | hibernate/whatever-the-inverse-of-hibernate-is-called? Because |
118 | resume/suspend has nothing to do with an initramfs (being genkernel or |
119 | dracut or whatever), since it doesn't "boot" the machine again |
120 | (contrary to hibernate/whatever-etc.) |
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122 | My laptop has used dracut since months ago, and suspends/resumes just |
123 | fine, as it does my media center. |
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125 | Regards. |
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128 | Genkernel doesnt, bugs and work arounds on gentoo bugzilla, with angry |
129 | comments from a dev that it wont be supported and to not file bugs for |
130 | it - now that dev has moved on I dont know if enough has changed to test |
131 | the waters and file a bug again. |
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133 | Its missing a hook in the initrd to call the binary that starts the |
134 | resume process. |
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136 | I was reading where dracut needs a lot of work still, so despite my |
137 | previous bad experiences with genkernel in the past I went that way as |
138 | the suspend fix is available. |
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140 | People generally just call it suspend/resume but technically, |
141 | suspend/resume is often used to refer to suspend to ram, and hibernate |
142 | is for suspend to disk - I use suspend to disk but generally just call |
143 | it suspend/resume as (non-tech) people I talk to know what I mean. |
144 | Calling it hibernate usually has them asking questions. |
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146 | It does work, as I said in a previous post, but the whole initrd thing |
147 | is a disaster waiting to happen - and dont say to me it works for Red |
148 | Hat as proof that it must be good because thats the distro where my most |
149 | major initrd embarrassment occurred (update getting missmatched versions |
150 | and fail to reboot.) |
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152 | Your experience may be different to mine, but I am of the once bitten, |
153 | twice shy persuasion. Whatever happened to Linux/Unix and its focus on |
154 | KISS as a major pillar of its stability? |
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158 | BillK |
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166 | well i find genkernel almost the same as compiling regular kernel |
167 | as a basis day task. |
168 | my systems setup is quite simple with no software raid or using |
169 | UUID for something. |
170 | i am testing now some Software raid options and lvm. |
171 | i dont use hibernation for servers ... so i dont know about it. |
172 | as it is covered in the handbook to use genkernel i suppose it |
173 | pretty stable for testing developers and users. |
174 | where can i find this bug list about the genkernel you where |
175 | talking about? |
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178 | Thanks, |
179 | Eliezer |
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182 | -- |
183 | Eliezer Croitoru |
184 | https://www1.ngtech.co.il |
185 | IT consulting for Nonprofit organizations |
186 | elilezer <at> ngtech.co.il |
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