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On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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> On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> > On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500 |
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> > Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> > |
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> >> Eliezer Croitoru wrote: |
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> >> > On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote: |
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> >> >> Peter Humphrey wrote: |
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> >> >>> On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote: |
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> >> >>> |
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> >> >>>> genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me. |
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> >> >>>> just |
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> >> >>>> |
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> >> >>>> emerege genkernel |
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> >> >>>> |
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> >> >>>> and then use |
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> >> >>>> |
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> >> >>>> genkerenl --menuconfig all |
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> >> >>>> |
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> >> >>>> it will do everything for you the same as in a regular kernel |
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> >> >>>> compiling. |
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> >> >>>> |
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> >> >>>> you have instructions on how to use genkernel on the handbook. |
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> >> >>> |
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> >> >>> What's more, you don't have to keep going through menuconfig if |
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> >> >>> you already have a running self-compiled kernel. Just copy |
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> >> >>> the .config file to |
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> >> >>> somewhere safe (I use, e.g. /boot/config-3.2) and call genkernel |
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> >> >>> with the |
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> >> >>> option to specify the config file it's to use. Sorry but I can't |
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> >> >>> tell you |
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> >> >>> exactly what the parameter is as I don't have genkernel on this |
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> >> >>> box. Someone will be along in a moment though. |
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> >> >>> |
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> >> >> |
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> >> >> |
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> >> >> I used genkernel when I was first installing Gentoo. I let that |
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> >> >> thing build half a dozen kernels, chroot in between too. You know |
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> >> >> what, not one of them worked. That was a long time ago but let me |
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> >> >> check something here.< spit spit spit> I had to get the bad |
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> >> >> taste out of my mouth. lol |
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> >> >> |
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> >> >> I might also add, I started using a init thingy a few weeks ago, |
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> >> >> dracut tool. For some crazy reason, when I boot with the init |
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> >> >> thingy, my system doesn't work right. When I boot without the |
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> >> >> init thingy, it works fine. Still trying to figure out that one. |
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> >> >> It's in another thread. |
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> >> >> |
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> >> >> I don't see myself using genkernel any time soon. Right now, I'm |
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> >> >> having flashbacks to hal with regard to dracut and the whole init |
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> >> >> thingy /usr mess. |
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> >> > i have used genkernel for a long time and all of my genkernel |
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> >> > compilation works really good. |
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> >> > i have (counting, 1 very very big production server, 2 small |
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> >> > production server, 3 home server, 4 +5 +6 + 7 +8 of vms runing |
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> >> > genkernel with several services such as mail mail filtering web |
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> >> > server and monitoring) so what can i say? all these machines will |
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> >> > say other then you. |
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> >> > |
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> >> > Regards, |
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> >> > Eliezer |
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> >> > |
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> >> >> |
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> >> >> Dale |
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> >> >> |
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> >> >> :-) :-) |
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> >> >> |
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> >> |
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> >> Odd, it can work on all those yet fail on a relatively simple system. |
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> >> Makes one wonder. Maybe it is to complicated? Sort of starting to |
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> >> sound like udev isn't it? lol |
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> >> |
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> >> I didn't say it would fail for the OP. I just said it never worked |
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> >> for me. Compiling my own has worked for me. I have only had one |
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> >> failure with that. I might also add, I have read where others have |
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> >> nightmares about genkernel. I'm not the only one. |
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> > |
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> > And using genkernel is pretty fucking pointless while it doesn't |
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> > support suspend/resume right. |
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> > Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I don;t use genkernel so |
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> > don;t know the truth from experience. I only read what others say, |
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> > claiming that genkernel doesn't support suspend/resume. |
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> Resume/suspend or |
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> hibernate/whatever-the-inverse-of-hibernate-is-called? Because |
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> resume/suspend has nothing to do with an initramfs (being genkernel or |
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> dracut or whatever), since it doesn't "boot" the machine again |
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> (contrary to hibernate/whatever-etc.) |
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> My laptop has used dracut since months ago, and suspends/resumes just |
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> fine, as it does my media center. |
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> Regards. |
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Genkernel doesnt, bugs and work arounds on gentoo bugzilla, with angry |
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comments from a dev that it wont be supported and to not file bugs for |
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it - now that dev has moved on I dont know if enough has changed to test |
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the waters and file a bug again. |
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Its missing a hook in the initrd to call the binary that starts the |
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resume process. |
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I was reading where dracut needs a lot of work still, so despite my |
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previous bad experiences with genkernel in the past I went that way as |
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the suspend fix is available. |
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People generally just call it suspend/resume but technically, |
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suspend/resume is often used to refer to suspend to ram, and hibernate |
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is for suspend to disk - I use suspend to disk but generally just call |
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it suspend/resume as (non-tech) people I talk to know what I mean. |
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Calling it hibernate usually has them asking questions. |
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It does work, as I said in a previous post, but the whole initrd thing |
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is a disaster waiting to happen - and dont say to me it works for Red |
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Hat as proof that it must be good because thats the distro where my most |
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major initrd embarrassment occurred (update getting missmatched versions |
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and fail to reboot.) |
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Your experience may be different to mine, but I am of the once bitten, |
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twice shy persuasion. Whatever happened to Linux/Unix and its focus on |
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KISS as a major pillar of its stability? |
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BillK |