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Neil Bothwick wrote: |
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> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:15:41 -0500, Dale wrote: |
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>> Neil Bothwick wrote: |
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>>> Mandrake used an initrd, not the same as an initramfs, which is |
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>>> directly supported by the kernel. |
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>> Whichever. Same shoes, different color is all. |
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> Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this is |
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> not true. |
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Point is, they are the same to me. Both stand between grub and the |
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kernel and add yet one more point of failure. I'm not going to nitpck |
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on the difference between them since I view both in the same way. |
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>>> Good luck trying to find something else that doesn't use an init*. |
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>> Thing is, those others are a LOT faster to install. Heck, I got |
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>> Mandrake down to like 30 minutes from booting CD to booting off the hard |
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>> drive and logging in and that was a COMPLETE install too. I installed |
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>> Kubuntu for my brother and while not Gentoo, he doesn't have issues. |
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>> Kubuntu takes care of the init thingy, NOT ME. If it did break, |
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>> reinstall and go back to surfing. It fails on Gentoo, I'm stuck. I'm |
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>> installing something and it won't be spending a good day to two days |
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>> installing Gentoo. |
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> Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike |
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> some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the |
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> previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update goes, you can |
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> always hit reset then select the old one from the GRUB menu - |
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> reinstallation doesn't come into it. |
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Provided that the old one works tho right? What if I update and it |
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breaks more than one thing? Then what? |
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Again, if I can't boot, I can't get help fixing it. If I can't fix it, |
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I'll fix it by installing something else. That decision has already |
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been made when this mess started a LONG time ago. |
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>> It seems folks think I just don't like new stuff. I don't mind new |
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>> stuff. I use new stuff quite often. I just don't like using stuff that |
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>> breaks, switching to something else to get away from it, then turn right |
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>> around and have the same broken junk thrown back at me. |
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> Except it's not the same. How long ago did you switch? You've been around |
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> here for a while, I suspect your Mandrake experience with with a 2.4 |
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> kernel, which didn't have initramfs available, and initrd. The 2.6 |
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> kernel's initramfs was developed to address the problems with initrds. |
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> This isn't even as close as comparing apples and oranges. |
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To ME, a init thingy is a init thingy. That's why I call them all init |
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thingys. To ME, both are apples. One may be green and another red but |
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both are still apples. |
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>> I'm sure I can find something that |
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>> will boot in somewhat short order. Question is, what will it be? |
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> vmlinuz.old :) |
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Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around and |
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test other distros until I find one I like. Thing is, I already have a |
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starting point. |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |
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