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From: "Bruce Hill
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:55:45
Message-Id: 1652548889.629847.1331672072496.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-( by "Canek Peláez Valdés"
1 On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@×××××.com>
2 wrote:
3 <snip>
4 >
5 > "Fringe" programs will not require udev, or it will be optional; but
6 > the moment a "fringe" program reaches critical mass to become
7 > "maistream", the probability of it needing udev (directly or
8 > indirectly) will increase.
9 >
10 > I'm willing to bet a beer on that prediction.
11 >
12 > Regards.
13 > --
14 > Canek Peláez Valdés
15
16
17
18 It _sounds_ like your definition of a "fringe" program is one that does not
19 need udev; but when it becomes "mainstream" it will need udev. If not, you
20 write us the definition of a "fringe" program and a "mainstream" program.
21
22 Excuse me, but that's just incredibly _arrogant_!
23
24 I wasn't getting into this ridiculous discussion, but your irresponsible
25 ranting...
26
27 Yes, I dedicate my "Linux life" to killing FUD, and that post of yours is
28 FUD!
29
30 I'm from the South, where FUD is colloquially called bull<manure>. <:-)}
31
32 Below are some "mainstream" programs that my every computer on the LAN in
33 my computer business uses _every_ day which don't require udev:
34
35 x11-terms/rxvt-unicode
36 app-editors/vim
37 net-misc/dhcpcd
38 ...
39
40 The more I think about your arrogance, the more ticked off I get! Here's
41 the very few packages on my workstation that _do_ require udev:
42
43 mingdao@workstation ~ $ equery depends udev
44 * These packages depend on udev:
45 media-libs/libcanberra-0.28-r5 (udev ? >=sys-fs/udev-160)
46 media-libs/mesa-7.11.2 (gbm ? sys-fs/udev)
47 media-video/vlc-1.1.13 (udev ? >=sys-fs/udev-142)
48 net-print/hplip-3.11.10 (acl ? >=sys-fs/udev-171[acl])
49 (acl ? >=sys-fs/udev-145[extras])
50 (kernel_linux ? >=sys-fs/udev-114)
51 sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.88 (>=sys-fs/udev-151-r4)
52 virtual/dev-manager-0 (sys-fs/udev)
53 x11-base/xorg-server-1.11.2-r2 (udev ? >=sys-fs/udev-150)
54 x11-libs/cairo-1.10.2-r1 (drm ? >=sys-fs/udev-136)
55 x11-libs/libva-1.0.15 (video_cards_dummy ? sys-fs/udev)
56
57 Perhaps it would be ridiculously easy to get rid of udev on this box. But,
58 that's not the point I'm making here.
59
60 It's not so much that udev is evil, to me; but that requiring an initrd is
61 stupid.
62 And, it's not so much udev vs. mdev or whatever, but that your attitude
63 _STINKS_!
64
65 Geez...
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Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-( "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@×××××.com>