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From: Randy Barlow <randy@×××××××××××××××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:55:46
Message-Id: 1367078136.2194.132.camel@localhost
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio by Mark David Dumlao
1 I've been a little surprised at some of the posts in this thread. As
2 some others have pointed out, I do not believe it is fair to state that
3 anyone is forcing you to use any particular software (such as
4 PulseAudio, or udev), as it is your choice to use Linux or not in the
5 first place. Why do these same people not complain about being "forced"
6 to use the Linux kernel? After all, it would certainly be tricky to
7 install Gentoo on metal, and not use the Linux kernel.
8
9 As an open source developer and as an open source consumer (and of
10 course I consume far more open source efforts than I contribute), I
11 think it is important to keep in mind that we are benefiting from the
12 generosity of others. I think the idiom, "Don't look a gift horse in the
13 mouth" is probably appropriate to this discussion.
14
15 Another important point that has been said by others that I think is
16 worth highlighting is that there are many ways to go without using
17 PulseAudio if you really want ALSA. Gnome happens to depend on it, but
18 that's the choice of Gnome developers and not us.
19
20 I happen to work on an open source server product that requires the use
21 of MongoDB. There are many community users who complain about that, as
22 they would rather us use the DB of their preference (PostgreSQL is a
23 common request). I don't disagree that it would be cool if my project
24 could use either DB and let the users go with their own choice, but it's
25 not a priority for us due to the long list of other features and bugs
26 that we need to deal with. It's so much simpler for us to only support
27 one database, and so it allows us to deliver a lot of other cool
28 features instead. I think that is a reasonable decision on our part, and
29 some of our community members disagree and that's fine. I don't think we
30 or they feel any animosity about it. It would significantly increase our
31 QE and development costs if we were to support other DBs. I think Gnome
32 and PA can be thought of in a similar light.
33
34 I will divulge that I happen to like Gnome and PulseAudio, and so
35 consider me biased. I did find the /usr thing with udev to be kind of
36 inconvenient since I did happen to have a separate /usr, but I dealt
37 with it and am grateful to have a free udev that I can use.
38
39 Note that I'm not saying you need to like or use these technologies - I
40 just ask that you realize that there are pretty good reasons for Gnome
41 to simplify their dependency list, and that you do still have great
42 freedom in your software choices. There are many great alternatives to
43 Gnome. Open Source software is incredible, and I think it's exciting to
44 think about all the many choices it has brought us so far. Any one of us
45 could fork any OSS project we wanted at any time and tweak it for what
46 we want and share with the world. That is really good.
47
48 --
49 Randy Barlow

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