Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: "New to aliexpress" pop up - how to block it?

On 07/16 02:45, Urs Schütz wrote:
> On 07/16/17 14:08, tuxic@××××××.de wrote:
> > On 07/16 01:58, Urs Schütz wrote:
> > > On 07/16/17 05:56, R0b0t1 wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:44 AM,  <tuxic@××××××.de> wrote:
> > > > > On 07/16 03:12, R0b0t1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:11 AM,  <tuxic@××××××.de> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 07/16 01:59, R0b0t1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM,  <tuxic@××××××.de> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > that drives my insane:
> > > > > > > > > While searching items for my DIY Nixie clock on aliexpress I get
> > > > > > > > > one certain popup with each new access to aliexpress asking
> > > > > > > > > me, whether I am new to aliexpress and offers me a coupon.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have no othe chance than clicking on this [beep] pop up
> > > > > > > > > to be able to see the page contents.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I searched the web for according informations how to block
> > > > > > > > > this [beep] popup, but I only get informations how to
> > > > > > > > > remove a certain kind of adware virus from Mac and Windows.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Since this virus pops up an advertisement of constantly changing
> > > > > > > > > goods and is page filling I am sure I am not suffering from this.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If anyone out there has solved this problem without disabling
> > > > > > > > > the possibility to /buy/ something on aliexpress PLEASE HELP
> > > > > > > > > ME. I AM NEAR INSANITY! ;) :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot in advance for any life saver!
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > Meino
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You might be able to block the element on the page using uBlock
> > > > > > > > Origin, but unfortunately that type of ad is very hard to remove. If
> > > > > > > > you have to interact with it is harder to select using uBlock's
> > > > > > > > interface.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can also use Greasemonkey to block more invasive ads, but I never
> > > > > > > > had much luck with that. It's designed to do more than filter
> > > > > > > > background content.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I feel like I need to ask whether or not you've done something like
> > > > > > > > disable cookies. I'd not suggest doing that, at most delete all of
> > > > > > > > them when you close your browser session. It's impossible to use most
> > > > > > > > pages without having cookies enabled (this makes automating things
> > > > > > > > with web libraries infuriating).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > R0b0t1.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi R0b0t1,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For "normal browsing" I created a profile for firefox which is privacy
> > > > > > > enhanced -- blocking all sorts of things. This profile works half
> > > > > > > with the sites I normally visit.
> > > > > > > Aliexpress get screwed up when visited using this profile.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I created a second profile, which I use for Aliexpress only. This
> > > > > > > one has only some privacy related things enabled. Aliexpress works --
> > > > > > > including poping up this [beep] "Are you new to Aliexpress?" popup.
> > > > > > > Cookies are enabled with this profile.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does it do this on every page load or just the first time you interact with it?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I did the following:
> > > > > *** Surf to www.aliexpress.com (no popup and no way to search despite
> > > > > the fact that a search bar is shown.)
> > > > > *** Click on any product -- product will be displayed and popup pops
> > > > > up (hence the name), click the popup to remove it. Search bar now works.
> > > > > *** Click "reload tab"...the whole [beep] starts from the beginning.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've managed to block something similar using uBlock Origin, but it
> > > > was really hard to select it with the GUI picker that creates blocking
> > > > rules for you.
> > > >
> > > > The technical term for what the website is using is called a popover
> > > > and I remember people talking about blocking them with uBlock Origin
> > > > because they are hard to block, but I can't find anything relevant to
> > > > this discussion in Google.
> > > >
> > > > > > > As soon as I login into Aliexpress the popup disappears -- now
> > > > > > > Aliexpress is satisfied, because tracking my searches is now
> > > > > > > personalized.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you can't find a way to target the overlay with uBlock Origin you
> > > > > > might try looking at https://greasyfork.org/en and using Greasemonkey.
> > > > > > Unfortunately all the premade scripts I could find were simple things
> > > > > > like pricing changes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why Greasemonkey is especially use ful in this case?
> > > > > (this is curiosity -- and NO expression of doubt, R0b0t1! :)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greasemonkey injects JavaScript onto your webpages based on filter
> > > > criteria, so you can effectively do anything your browser can do when
> > > > displaying the webpage. Some of the more impressive feats are
> > > > reengineered webpages that are better than the original service, most
> > > > of them are mundane and only alter a few values on a webpage.
> > > >
> > > > You can also use it for laser-guided adblocking if you need to.
> > > > Unfortunately Greasemonkey requires quite a bit of knowledge about
> > > > itself, web development, and the page you are trying to modify, so I
> > > > can't be of much help apropos.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its the same reason for why buying via Aliexpress App on a
> > > > > > > smartphone/tablet is cheaper than using a PC.
> > > > > > > I am using XPrivacy on my Android tablet which shows, blocks
> > > > > > > or allows ANY access to permissions like "Get your location"
> > > > > > > et cetera -- I instantly deleted that App after I saw, what this
> > > > > > > App wants to know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's sad to see another website doing this. There's a few that make it
> > > > > > all but impossible to use the service without logging in or supplying
> > > > > > information one way or another. If the creator of the website doesn't
> > > > > > want you to use it, I'm not sure there's a lot that can ultimately be
> > > > > > done about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a similar vein, my phone now displays advertising. The state of
> > > > > > computing has me despondent.
> > > > >
> > > > >     For your phone: Root it, install XPosed/XPosedInstaller, install XPrivacy, install
> > > > >     Bootmanager, install PreventRunning, install AFWall -- and your
> > > > >     phone is yours again. Buying XPrivacy is worth every cent (it is
> > > > >     cheap!) and it can be bought directly by its developer Marcel
> > > > >     Bokhorst via Mony transfer -- no need to feed Google again!
> > > > >
> > > > >     For more drop me a PM.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I might take you up on your offer but the main issue is my phone isn't
> > > > a flagship device so I can't expect a ROM to exist for it. I suppose
> > > > I'll check.
> > > >
> > > > R0b0t1.
> > > >
> > >
> > > AdblockPlus, "Select an element to hide". Selecting the red window with the
> > > mouse will add something like this to the blocking list:
> > > aliexpress.com##.ui-window.ui-window-normal.ui-window-transition.ui-newuser-layer-dialog
> > > and
> > > aliexpress.com##.newuser-container
> > >
> > > Urs
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi Urs,
> >
> > thanks a lot for the hint!
> >
> > But.,..
> >
> > ...take a look into the so called "privacy" policy of AdPlus.org (or
> > whatever those think "privacy" means):
> >
> > From: https://adblockplus.org/privacy
> >
> > cite:
> > Collection and processing on AdblockPlus.org
> > When using AdblockPlus.org, we automatically collect the following data in order to provide you with our services, and for security reasons:
> >
> > A list and explanations follows ...
> >
> > As previously mentioned "anonymiyed data" is a joke in the post Orwell
> > era of today.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Meino
> >
> >
> >
>
> I do not see anything surprising in the AdblockPlus privacy policy. Which
> points bother you? Maybe I did not look close enough...
>
> Urs
>

Hi Urs,

In general do not trust phrases like "we record the IP addresses for
statistical reasons only.....deleted after 30 days" and such. There is
no anonymized data nowadays. And the longer such privacy policies are,
the more I mistrust them.

Even Google has a text called "privacy policy"...

Some weeks ago I came accross a site which privacy policy consist of
one sentence,

    "Nothing will be recorded."

That's it. I tend to trust such a lot more than these poems of
privacy...

But may be I am only an old paranoid...

Cheers
Meino