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On Sunday 11 May 2008, Florian Philipp wrote: |
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> On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:43:41 +0100 |
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> Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> > The OP has inadvertently given us some valuable feedback, which |
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> > stands on its own and is irrelevant with the fact that he (like |
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> > many other non-gentoo users) had mistaken Gentoo for |
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> > yet-another-binary-distro. Having a user friendly website that |
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> > also caters to the needs of newcomers to the Gentoo scene, requires |
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> > that the key features and benefits of Gentoo are easily |
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> > visible/accessible. Not many people will navigate to hidden |
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> > Statistics pages to draw their own conclusions. These could be |
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> > users that one day prove valuable contributors. I suggest that we |
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> > spring clean the website and consider our new visitors needs at the |
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> > same time (plus things like the much asked for Documentation search |
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> > field?). ;-) |
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> > Just my 2c's. |
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> Yep, gentoo.org really seems to have been created from devs and users |
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> for devs and users. There is nothing like a "Features" page or "Why |
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> to choose Gentoo" for newcomers. Heck, you have to search hard to |
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> even learn whether it is suitable for desktops or servers! Just |
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> compare ubuntu.com with gentoo.org, for example. The difference is |
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> striking. |
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Ah, but www.gentoo.org/doc actually does contain decent INFORMATION in a |
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manner that I can find. |
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All I ever seem to get out of ubuntu.com (after the cute front page) is |
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the equivalent of Ubuntu For Dummies or endless chitter-chatter on web |
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forums almost exclusively populated by 14 year olds. Or people mentally |
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equivalent to 14 year olds. |
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gentoo is a lot like Ferraris, Buells and Crays - virtually nobody, but |
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nobody, gets involved with them without being quite knowledgeable about |
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the subject as a whole and having a very good idea of what they are all |
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about. |
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Let's put it another way. Person X from company Y is evaluating distros |
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and is put off by www.gentoo.org's front page. Right. Now, what kind of |
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user is person X do you think? Someone who will be able to use Gentoo |
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to it's full potential right away? No, I don't think so. If you need to |
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read the front page to find out the basics of what it is, then you |
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shouldn't be anywhere near Gentoo as a corporate. You'd be much better |
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off looking into the well-known binary distros. |
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I'm not spouting steam out my nose here. My day job is looking after 20 |
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gentoo servers out in the wild at customer's premises. My personal |
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machines have been exclusively gentoo for over 3 years now. I'm |
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migrating the customer's machines over to Ubuntu server LTS one by one |
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as the hardware gets upgraded. Why? Why does someone, who is well known |
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in my city for being the biggest Gentoo fan around, do that? |
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Because I cannot deal with the learning curve of my juniors anymore. I |
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don't want to have to still make every USE related decision on every |
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machine even though a junior is sitting right there logged in. It makes |
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complete sense for $ARB_UBUNTU_DEV to make those decisions instead. |
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So let's tidy up gentoo.org by all means and make it a bit more obvious |
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how this awesome thing called portage works. But lets not be deceived |
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into thinking the distro itself is a mass-market distro because it |
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isn't. It's more like a magnificent hand-made piece of fine Italian |
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machinery. And I like it that way. |
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Alan McKinnon |
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alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com |
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