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Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> Apparently, though unproven, at 17:31 on Monday 15 November 2010, Grant |
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> Edwards did opine thusly: |
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>> On 2010-11-14, Mick<michaelkintzios@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>>> Finally, if xorg-server-1.8 is around the corner to be stabilised I |
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>>> suggest that you unmask it and use the xorg.conf file that we all |
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>>> know and love. :-) |
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>> Using xorg.conf with 1.7 is simple enough (it's what I do on all my |
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>> other machines). That's why I don't understand why the Gentoo |
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>> developers decided to use HAL by default when it seems to be widely |
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>> acknowledged to be such a disaster. |
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> The Gentoo devs made no such decision. |
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> Upstream did. |
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> Gentoo closely tracks upstream, unless upstream is completely broken. HAL |
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> might be a crock of chit, but it does not render X broken and not usable. |
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Actually, it rendered mine broken and not usable. If upstream walks off |
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the edge of a cliff, does Gentoo follow upstream then? What would have |
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been nice is if Gentoo would have at least made it something that the |
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user has to chose to do pro-actively and not the default. If they had |
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done that, for say six months or more, then the devs would have been |
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able to see the disaster and left it off by default. Actually, they may |
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could have even seen that it wasn't going to last at all and then not |
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ever have a user using it unless they chose too and enabled it |
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themselves. It's not like hal lasted for many years as a "stable" project. |
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I generally trust the devs. I did when I let hal take over the config |
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of X since it was the new way of doing things. You think I feel the |
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same way now? To give you a hint, I haven't switched to polkit or |
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whatever it is being called now. I think the reason is obvious. I |
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don't have the same amount of trust as I did before. They followed |
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upstream with hal and left me in a pickle. I haven't forgotten that yet |
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and won't for a long time. I'll switch when I am reasonably sure it is |
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safe to do so. That information will come from folks that are users |
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tho, not devs. If a lot of users don't like it or have trouble with it, |
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I won't switch. The key is the users this time. You, Alan, being one |
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of them. You got more trust with me than the devs do. Why, I don't |
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recall you guiding me off the cliff. |
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I didn't mention the KDE4 mess on purpose. KDE didn't leave Gentoo with |
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a option since it stopped support for it. Different situation there. |
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Very little choices to pick from. |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |
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