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On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote: |
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>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 00:24:09 +0700, Ста Деюс wrote: |
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>>> But something tells me the reason of absence of the installer are |
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>>> much deeper. |
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>> Yes, it is that no one has felt the need to devote the considerable |
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>> amount of time needed to code and test an installer that takes into |
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>> account the far wider range of choices in Gentoo. |
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> While there are some that consider the lack of an installer some kind |
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> of virtue, I think you've really hit the crux of it here. There is no |
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> reason that Gentoo couldn't have an installer that at least gives you |
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> a default stage3 to start from, or a few alternative options. |
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> However, in the end it requires that somebody actually build it. From |
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> what I've seen when this issue comes up people fall into two |
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> categories: |
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> 1. People who really want an installer because they're struggling to |
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> get Gentoo working. Well, if they struggle to get it working chances |
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> are they're going to struggle even more to build an installer for |
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> everybody else to use. |
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> 2. People who could build an installer if they wanted to, but they |
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> don't really need to, because they either are happy with doing it |
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> manually, or already have some rough scripts that are good enough for |
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> them. |
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> Nobody is going to "ban" a Gentoo installer, and there have been |
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> points in time where people have worked on one. However, until |
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> somebody actually both wants to build one and is able to build one we |
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> probably won't have one. That isn't some kind of policy - it is just |
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> the reality of how volunteer FOSS projects work. |
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Not to get away from OP's question, but how good would the installer |
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need to be before it held the interest of any developers that manage |
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the website or handbook? |
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I ask because the much simpler thing I suggested - fleshing out the |
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handbook - has been done and redone by some individuals and some of |
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the guides are truly inspired. Unfortunately, I think it keeps being |
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redone because these guides are hard to find and because the people |
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who make them have no way to contribute to the handbook. |
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Sakaki's EFI install guide, while very specific, is something that the |
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majority of people who want to use Linux but don't want to maintain |
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Portage seem to expect from the handbook. It actually tells them how |
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to configure most of the things that produce a modern x86 system that |
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interacts with a user. I mention it because it is the only guide I'm |
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aware of that has persisted long enough to be indexed by Google that |
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is also still relevant. |
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The problem most people seem to have with Gentoo is not necessarily |
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the installation process, but knowing what to configure after they |
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have it installed. |
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R0b0t1. |