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On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:51:19 -0800 |
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Mark Knecht <markknecht@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Alan McKinnon |
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> <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> > On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:17:07 +0100 |
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> > Nicolas Sebrecht <nsebrecht@×××××.fr> wrote: |
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> >> The 22/11/11, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> >> > I use virtualbox and it's the one I recommend. |
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> >> > The kernel modules are no better and no worse than any other |
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> >> > out-of-tree modules. |
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> >> You're wrong. Using the virtualbox module means you turn the |
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> >> kernel to "tained crap" because of the number of problems it |
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> >> causes, including random memory curruption. |
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> > Care to back that up with something resembling evidence? |
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> > EVERY out-of-tree module will taint the kernel. As to whether it |
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> > deserves the "crap" moniker is a matter of opinion |
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> > -- |
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> > Alan McKinnnon |
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> > alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |
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> Alan, |
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> I'm a happy Virtualbox user so I was surprised to see this post on |
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> the LKML which I suspect pushed the consciousness of this a bit more |
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> to the forefront: |
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> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/6/317 |
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> Now, I have no problems with Virtualbox but I have no reason to |
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> disbelieve these folks either. As with a lot of these things, it's the |
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> devil you know or the devil you don't know. I suspect the other less |
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> used solutions also have problems but not as many users, etc. |
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> - Mark |
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Mark, |
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I too am a happy VirtualBox user. I find it works better and is far more |
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stable than either VMWare or Nvidia drivers. Or Flash for that matter. |
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I also know the Linux kernel devs have incredibly high standards - mere |
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perfection is often just not good enough - a very good trait in a dev. I |
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put it down to a distinct lack of technical design not being driven by a |
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corporate Sales department :-) |
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Having said that, Dave's mail sounds a lot like me sounding off on a |
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good day after the Nth clueless user pissed me off one time too many - |
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he makes a startling claim and then proceeds to not back it up, but |
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just rant. |
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Lets grant that the VirtualBox modules are not up to LKML standards. |
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That's fine, very little out of the tree is. I'm willing to bet that |
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the majority of the issues are silly bugs involving pointer arithmetic |
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(the usual cause of these things) and could be fixed up with minimal |
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effort. |
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Either way I don't think a sweeping condemnation of the entire product |
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is the right way to go. |
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Oh, I forgot something in the first paragraph. In my experience on this |
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machine we can add Firefox, OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice to the same |
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list of unstable software. |
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Alan McKinnnon |
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alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |
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