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From: Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:53:54
Message-Id: 201201031652.43853.michaelkintzios@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3 by Walter Dnes
1 On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 15:22:29 Walter Dnes wrote:
2 > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote
3 >
4 > > (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this...
5 > > 'unconventional of going udev-free?)
6 >
7 > Alpine linux has done it http://alpinelinux.org/ Unfortunately,
8 > they're so minimalistic and server-oriented that they use uclibc instead
9 > of glibc. So Alpine is not viable as a desktop distro. Think of it as
10 >
11 > Gentoo with mdev instead of udev == Alpine with glibc instead of uclibc
12 >
13 > By the way, there's a thread on the Gentoo developer list discussing
14 > the situation, and the proposed move of a bunch of stuff to /usr. See
15 > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view_flat;post=245148;
16 > page=1;mh=-1;list=gentoo;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC
17 >
18 > I piped up with my proposal. We'll see what happens.
19
20 I'd like to thank Walter for doing something about this and Pandu for testing
21 it, rather than just wingeing (like I did). :p
22
23 I don't hold any hope that mdev will replace udev, but that this effort may go
24 someway to influence the development philosophy that has been entertained to
25 date with udev. A philosophy that removes choice and flexibility. This is
26 felt more by Gentoo users, because Gentoo as we know is not a binary distro
27 and the needs of its users are more nuanced and eclectic.
28
29 As I recall from this mammoth thread mdev is one option, a staged mounting of
30 devices/running of scripts by udev is another. Anything that will make udev
31 devs to stop for a minute and think again the impact of their choices on the
32 overall Linux community will be of benefit. If Walter's good effort bring this
33 about I would be more than happy to support him, although with a laptop using
34 mdev may not be my immediate preferred solution.
35 --
36 Regards,
37 Mick

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