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Michael Mol wrote: |
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> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>> Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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>>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:39:27 -0600 |
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>>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>>>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: |
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>>>>> Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale: |
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>>>>>> I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all the |
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>>>>>> computers. After all, the internet is supposed to be redundant |
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>>>>>> right? If there is a few computers still running that have a |
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>>>>>> connection, it is still working. Sort of anyway. |
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>>>>>> Does make one wonder tho. They have been talking about having a |
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>>>>>> internet "off switch" but I'm not sure it would be that easy. |
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>>>>> basically, yes. Take down the core routers and backbones and |
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>>>>> everything falls apart. |
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>>>> But how long would it take to actually do this? |
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>>>> Another thing, the Government, especially the military, uses the |
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>>>> internet too. |
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>>> Not quite. They use the same internet *technology* you do, not |
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>>> necessarily the same internet *devices*. |
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>> What about banks? Credit cards? Heck, even food stamp cards? Would |
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>> phones work? I'm not just thinking about Vonage or Skype either. |
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> Banks, credit cards, etc. mostly operate on leased lines (Think T1, |
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> T2, T3...) and landlines (point-of-sale vending, though that's |
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> changing. ATMs also operate on landlines, and I don't believe that's |
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> changing.). |
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> You'd still have access to your money. You'd just have to go to a bank |
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> branch or an ATM. |
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> This whole thread is full panicked reasoning. The biggest risk we face |
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> is a scenario like Iran or Egypt's, where the government requires |
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> controls on border routers. Most likely, they'd do it at the ISP |
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> level, not at the core router level. That said, they could conceivably |
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> demand core router operators acquiesce to their demands, but the worst |
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> you're likely to see there is some network blocks' being dropped |
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> offline. |
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> And it's not so easy to take the Internet down with injected BGP |
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> routes any more, either; most network operators apply some sort of |
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> filtering. |
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That has been my thinking all along. I don't think it would shut down |
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quietly if it can be done at all. I was just curious as to what we |
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would lose if it did go down. As to the cards, I know when I go to a |
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store that is a Mom and Pop, they use dial-up. They may connect |
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directly to the bank but it dials something. |
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I mostly think two things. 1: The Government would have a very hard |
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time shutting down the internet especially globally. 2: If it did and |
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I was the Pres, I'd go find me a bunker. I can picture pitch forks, |
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torches and some really pissed off people. |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |
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