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On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:39:27 -0600 |
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>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: |
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>>>> Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale: |
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>>>>> I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all the |
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>>>>> computers. After all, the internet is supposed to be redundant |
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>>>>> right? If there is a few computers still running that have a |
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>>>>> connection, it is still working. Sort of anyway. |
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>>>>> Does make one wonder tho. They have been talking about having a |
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>>>>> internet "off switch" but I'm not sure it would be that easy. |
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>>>> basically, yes. Take down the core routers and backbones and |
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>>>> everything falls apart. |
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>>> But how long would it take to actually do this? |
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>>> Another thing, the Government, especially the military, uses the |
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>>> internet too. |
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>> Not quite. They use the same internet *technology* you do, not |
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>> necessarily the same internet *devices*. |
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> What about banks? Credit cards? Heck, even food stamp cards? Would |
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> phones work? I'm not just thinking about Vonage or Skype either. |
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Banks, credit cards, etc. mostly operate on leased lines (Think T1, |
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T2, T3...) and landlines (point-of-sale vending, though that's |
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changing. ATMs also operate on landlines, and I don't believe that's |
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changing.). |
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You'd still have access to your money. You'd just have to go to a bank |
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branch or an ATM. |
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This whole thread is full panicked reasoning. The biggest risk we face |
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is a scenario like Iran or Egypt's, where the government requires |
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controls on border routers. Most likely, they'd do it at the ISP |
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level, not at the core router level. That said, they could conceivably |
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demand core router operators acquiesce to their demands, but the worst |
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you're likely to see there is some network blocks' being dropped |
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offline. |
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And it's not so easy to take the Internet down with injected BGP |
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routes any more, either; most network operators apply some sort of |
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filtering. |
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