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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] installing Gentoo in a xen VM
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:27:28
Message-Id: CAGfcS_nrxfe0y-d21jEQESAZpwbDHhsPOxGdj=ZaQabfzqAZ0A@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] installing Gentoo in a xen VM by lee
1 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:55 AM, lee <lee@××××××××.de> wrote:
2 >
3 > Just why can't you? ZFS apparently can do such things --- yet what's
4 > the difference in performance of ZFS compared to hardware raid?
5 > Software raid with MD makes for quite a slowdown.
6 >
7
8 Well, there is certainly no reason that you couldn't serialize a
9 logical volume as far as design goes. It just isn't implemented (as
10 far as I'm aware), though you certainly can just dd the contents of a
11 logical volume.
12
13 ZFS performs far better in such situations because you're usually just
14 snapshotting and not copying data at all (though ZFS DOES support
15 serialization which of course requires copying data, though it can be
16 done very efficiently if you're snapshotting since the filesystem can
17 detect changes without having to read everything). Incidentally,
18 other than lacking maturity btrfs has the same capabilities.
19
20 The reason ZFS (and btrfs) are able to perform better is that they
21 dictate the filesystem, volume management, and RAID layers. md has to
22 support arbitrary data being stored on top of it - it is just a big
23 block device which is just a gigantic array. ZFS actually knows what
24 is in all those blocks, and it doesn't need to copy data that it knows
25 hasn't changed, protect blocks when it knows they don't contain data,
26 and so on. You could probably improve on mdadm by implementing
27 additional TRIM-like capabilities for it so that filesystems could
28 inform it better about the state of blocks, which of course would have
29 to be supported by the filesystem. However, I doubt it will ever work
30 as well as something like ZFS where all this stuff is baked into every
31 level of the design.
32
33 --
34 Rich

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