Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ?

[Andreas K. Huettel]

Am Montag 24 November 2014, 18:13:56 schrieb James:

>
> If you want java to prosper at Gentoo, it's gonna take an "inner-circle"
> gentoo-dev to at least cheerlead for java within gentoo, imho.
>

I'm not really sure what this "inner-circle" stuff is supposed to mean. 

You need a gentoo-dev who is interested and willing to talk to and to listen 
to the existing java team members, and willing to invest quite some time and 
effort.

I have absolutely no clue about the state of java in Gentoo, but for the sake 
of the argument let's assume that the team is understaffed and the ebuild 
architecture is in need of a general overhaul. 

Then what one would have to do is understand how things are done now and why 
(listening helps sometimes more than talking talking talking). Java has some 
pretty complex eclasses, so it'll take some time until you understand them. 
First start with small improvements and then with bigger steps. At some point 
you get along with the existing team and plan the big reforms with them.

This may need dedication and patience, and is not always best served by the 
CADT phenomenon. It definitely does not get better by forking the code into N 
random overlays. And proposing a Java revolution because the existing team 
does not immediately jubilate at your extensive reform proposals is also not 
necessarily the best idea.

ok now I just have to go to Starbucks.

-- 
Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer
kde, council