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From: Daniel Campbell <lists@××××××××.us>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:34:43
Message-Id: 530488BB.4060206@sporkbox.us
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie by Neil Bothwick
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4 On 02/19/2014 03:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
5 > On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:04:14 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote:
6 >
7 >>>> Or to create a non-systemd profile :)
8 >
9 >> For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be
10 >> chosen as the default.
11 >
12 > Quite the opposite, to have a separate systemd profile would mean
13 > that systemd was not the default, otherwise it would be in the
14 > default profile. Not that defaults really matter with Gentoo, you
15 > have a systemd profile and an openrc profile, who gives a toss
16 > which is default when you have a simple to make choice?
17 >
18 >> Gentoo is one of the last bastions of choice available to
19 >> GNU/Linux users and it would create a complete shitstorm if
20 >> systemd were pushed on Gentoo's users.
21 >
22 > How is putting systemd setting in a profile that a user has to
23 > consciously choose to use forcing anything on anyone? Profiles are
24 > the essence of choice but it appears you only want the choices you
25 > approve of to be available.
26 >
27 >
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29 Perhaps I didn't phrase it correctly. Logically, a "non systemd"
30 profile would necessitate either a systemd profile, or require the
31 default to already ship systemd. I hadn't considered the prior
32 existence of systemd profiles, which we currently have, so afaict the
33 issue is mostly moot.
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35 Choices are great until the existence of other choices infringes on
36 mine. Profiles prevent that, so I have no problem with systemd
37 profiles. The problem lies with evangelists who aren't happy with
38 systemd being *a* choice. They want systemd to be *the* choice, *the*
39 default. That is what I take issue with.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk>