[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal

[Jörg Schaible]

Alan McKinnon wrote:

> On Saturday 28 November 2009 13:59:38 Jörg Schaible wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> > On Friday 27 November 2009 23:07:25 Jörg Schaible wrote:
>> >> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> >> > On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:34:34 James wrote:
>> >> >> kde-4.3.1 went smooth, except
>> >> >> for I have to manually removed all the kde-3.5 packages.
>> >> >> It had kde-meta-3.5.10. Is there some syntax or a better
>> >> >> method to insure all the kde-3.5.x packages are removed,
>> >> >> without a manual sweep?
>> >> >
>> >> > grep kde /var/lib/portage/world
>> >> > and eyeball the output. There should only be -meta packages, and
>> >> > individual packages for which you have NOT installed the -meta
>> >> > package, in there. vi the world file and remove the stuff that
>> >> > shouldn't be there, then
>> >> >
>> >> > emerge -C <all-kde3.5-meta-packages-in-world> && emerge -a
>> >> > --depclean
>> >>
>> >> as alternative simply append to all kde-base/* packages in world :4.3
>> >> and do then a depclean ;-)
>> >
>> > Which promptly defeats the ENTIRE purpose of a world file and -meta
>> > packages.
>>
>> a) I've never used the meta packages, but selected my KDE apps on purpose
>
> You missed the part where the user clearly states earlier that he DOES use
> -meta packages. With that in mind, any advice you give should be aligned
> to the fact that he is a -meta user
>
>> b) it's a lot easier this way to get rid of the KDE 3 stuff, however you
>> should get drop of the slot again after depclean has been finished
>
> How is it easier? You have to maintain the SLOTs in world yourself because
> the instant you do that portage will not automagically offer to upgrade
> anymore (upgrades within the same slot excepted). And --depclean will NOT
> adjust your SLOTs in world when it's finished. I can't really make sense
> of your last sentence but that is what you seem to imply

Yes, that's what I've said. Drop the slot again after depclean has finished.
Exactly because of the upgrades.

>> > If that's how you want to admin your box,
>>
>> I am using long enough Gentoo that I remember very well the times when
>> portage destroyed the world file completely.
>
> That was long ago and no longer applicable. That bug in portage got fixed,
> so a behaviour on your part to compensate for a bug that is not there is
> outdated behaviour.
>
>> And regenworld put *anything*
>> into world at that time. Therefore I know very well, what should be in
>> this file and what not. There's no magic.
>
> Yes, the only things in world are packages you want that are not
> dependencies of something else already in world. You are advising the user
> to put the dependencies of -meta packages into world

No. I adviced him to add :4.3 to all kde-base/* packages that *are* in
world. 

> when the -meta
> package is already there.

It does not matter in this case if the package is -meta or not.

>
> And that is plain silly
>
>> > can I recommend you switch to
>> > sabayon instead?
>>
>> ROFL! So, you mean, if users get too smart, Gentoo is no longer their
>> distribution? Don't be silly.
>
> Erm, you should read the whole thread and realise the bits you missed -
> the bits that make your statements nonsensical

All I did, was offering an alternative method to get rid of KDE 3 using
depclean without the need to identify every package individually.

Feel free to ignore it.

- Jörg