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* Hemmann, Volker Armin <volker.armin.hemmann@××××××××××××.de> wrote: |
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Hi, |
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> that is one of the most stupid things I ever read on this list. So users |
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> should never be part of discussions? Their needs? Their opinions? |
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well, that's what essentially told to me on -dev before I left there ;-O |
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Maybe it's just an communication problem: devs are usually people who have |
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much deeper knowledge of the whole system (or maybe just their packages) |
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and also different needs than arbitary users. The tendencies of chasing |
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away users might be an kind of self-protection against the "more (end)user |
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friendly" points of view found in other distros (eg. SuSE). |
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> Also, drobbins continued his attacks even after explained SEVERAL times that |
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> the stuff ciaranm was doing was a) wanted and b) helpfull and c) supervised |
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> by devs. |
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Without knowing the details, both parties might have their (subjectively) |
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valid reasons (speaking of the ideas/concepts, not the way they've been |
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expressed ;-o). Maybe the whole project should be more modularized, so forking |
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becomes much easier and still doesn't produce too much duplicate works. |
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A few ideas: |
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* bugfixing on individual packages should happen directly in the upstream |
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(maybe with OSS-QM as "source overlay"), not in Gentoo itself. |
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* package's build/install logic should be entirely moved into the package |
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(so that ebuilds mostly do nothing more than calling the package's |
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build system) |
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* the QM process could be split into several parts: |
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a) per-package (distro agnostic) |
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b) per ebuild (aka the package w/ portage) |
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c) the ebuild within (official) Gentoo |
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On a quick view this looks like a lot more work, but in longer terms it |
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would reduce the overall work (including dozens of other distros around |
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the world). |
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cu |
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Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ |
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Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: |
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http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce |
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Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: |
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http://patches.metux.de/ |
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