Re: [gentoo-user] why libera?

[Michael Cook]

On 5/28/21 2:44 PM, caveman رَجُلُ الْكَهْفِ 穴居人 wrote:
> hi.  i personally think gentoo should've gone to
> OFTC instead of libera, because:
>
> - OFTC is the true libera, thanks to its better
>    tor support, which is not surprising as it is
>    the home of the tor project.
>
> - OFTC has more users at the moment, and is
>    specifically designed for FOSS projects.
>
> - OFTC is older than libera, with less problems to
>    solve.
>
> despite libera being called after liberty in latin,
> its tor support is hypocritical, as it requires
> registering SASL over an un-tor-ed connection,
> hence revealing your IP address, which defeats the
> whole point of tor (hiding your IP address).
> OFTC, on the other hand, is the home of the tor
> project, and has best tor support.  so, in a
> sense, OFTC is the true libera.
>
> the only reason that i can think of that would
> explain why a group of people would create libera,
> is because their /hobby/ is to maintain IRC
> servers.
>
> i'm not for freenode either.  the latest move was
> unacceptable, and it's good that people started
> leaving freenode, to show the new owners that
> while they can purchase a bunch of servers and
> domain names, they cannot purchase people.
>
> so i like that this freenode drama happened.  but
> i dislike that we solved it by creating libera.  i
> think we should've solved it by going the simpler
> solution:  go to what already exists, and already
> has more liberty (more tor friendliness): OFTC.
>
> but, what happened is that we -instead- went to
> the freenode copy-cat, with the same hypocritical
> tor support, aka libera, which is as far away from
> liberty as freenode was away from free.
>
> while this subject is still warm and in the
> making, i recommend gentoo to change its opinion
> ans switch to the OFTC.
>
> rgrds,
> cm.
>
>
Tor simply introduce too much chance of abuse. If people didn't abuse 
it, it wouldn't be blocked.