Gentoo Archives: gentoo-user

From: Michael Crute <mcrute@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:32:53
Message-Id: 558b73fb0606061323i724a17bbg931b429e9fb3a9c5@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: RE: [gentoo-user] FTP Server by "Timothy A. Holmes"
1 On 6/6/06, Timothy A. Holmes <tholmes@×××××××××.net> wrote:
2 > > On 6/6/06, Michael Crute <mcrute@×××××.com> wrote:
3 > > > I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make
4 > > > bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor
5 > > > learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed.
6 > >
7 > > It is probably a good idea to start with a good text editor and a
8 > > book, but trying to learn vi and web design at the same time might be
9 > > a bit overwhelming!
10 > >
11 > > -- Evan
12 > > --
13 > > gentoo-user@g.o mailing list
14 > [Timothy A. Holmes]
15 >
16 > In this sense I am afraid I cannot agree with you. While I agree that
17 > it is ABSOLUTLY essential to learn XHTML and CSS code, trying to start
18 > from a blank vi or notepad screen is an exercise in frustration -- been
19 > there done that -- as I was beginning to learn web programming, working
20 > under incredible pressure from the then resident administration, I was
21 > trying to hand code everything in Visual InterDev. The crowning moment
22 > was 5 hours spent to produce 2 lines of NON-WORKING code. I far more
23 > recommend a authoring package like Dreamweaver that allows you to flip
24 > views or even split the views, so you can see what is happening to your
25 > code each time you make an insertion. I tend to do the "pretty" stuff
26 > in the gui and use the code editor (which has autocomplete and some
27 > other nice stuff) to do the code. In some cases (like constructing
28 > querys etc) DW makes it very easy to accomplish and provides CONSISTANT
29 > and WORKING code, which is something that beginning web builders have a
30 > hard time with. Even if you are set on doing hand code, do it with a
31 > coding editor such as Dreamweaver - the color coding, line numbers etc
32 > make it much easier to debug
33 >
34 > I would at ALL COSTS -- stay away from Front Page -- the code that it
35 > produces is HORRIBLE.
36
37 I can agree that you may want autocomplete and color coding, maybe
38 even a gui preview but in that case (on Windows) use Notepadd++,
39 Firefox, and ALT+TAB. If you start in a GUI editor it tends to make
40 you lazy conseqently causes you to create bad sites. Its much more to
41 your advantage to RTFM and not take shortcuts.
42
43 -Mike
44
45 --
46 ________________________________
47 Michael E. Crute
48 http://mike.crute.org
49
50 It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.
51 --Douglas Adams
52 --
53 gentoo-user@g.o mailing list